Любимая тема - нелюбимый сезон)

Как-то так у меня интересно получилось, что три года я избегала и разговоров о нем и просмотра кусочков оттуда чтения фиков по нему, а потом он стал занимать кучу моего времени и внимания))

UPD внизу поста

Еще до разбора прошлой зимой-весной пятого сезона, с самого начала мне мозолили глаза повторы в сюжете, но я представить не могла, сколько на самом деле и насколько любопытны некоторые из них… отсылки, параллели, повторы – иногда трудно сказать, случайные они или нарочные. Некоторые случайностью точно не являются (как не случайны совпадения в виде песен и монолога майкла в 513 с первым сезоном), другие, наверное, да, но все равно так или иначе любопытны на мой взгляд.
На всякий напомню, и если кто не в курсе, я всегда плохо относилась к пятому сезону, сразу после просмотра, не к финалу как таковому, а к самому сезону (и окончанию четвертого), воспринимала его отрывочно, игнорируя некоторые моменты и целиком сюжетные линии, но это было интуитивно, теперь, после пересмотра, обдумывания, сопоставления, обсуждения и прочтения кучи всего на эту тему, включая интервью и фанатские обсуждения тех лет, я гораздо осознанней не люблю его и лучше понимаю, что там катастрофически «не так», во всяком случае для меня, как для фаната БиДжи… хотя осталось достаточно такого, что я не понимаю, не улавливаю и не могу определить как относиться или толковать. В чем-то наоборот - я очень даже уверена. Но ладно, это так, лирическое отступление. (желающим ознакомиться с теми зимнее-весенними обсуждениями можно почитать здесь moveforever.diary.ru/p171682806.htm и здесь merzavca.diary.ru/p171827190.htm и там и там длинно, но на мой взгляд интересно)

И возвращаясь непосредственно к повторам-отсылкам- параллелям-противопоставлениям

Они разные, некоторые видимо многозначительные, некоторые наверное нет, из некоторых парных вероятно следует делать одинаковые выводы, некоторые возможно скорее противопоставления, а возможно это просто зависит от точки зрения… хотя меня конечно более всего в этом занимает точка зрения РонаДэна.

Они, «повторы», были в сериале и ранее, и их скорее всего было немало, их я не отслеживала, но они точно есть, ну, для примера Тед дважды пытается притвориться Брайном Кинни – во втором и в четвертом, в начале второго и третьего зеркальные ситуации с Майклом и Брайаном, оставшимися без бойфрендов, сцены, где Джастин готовит целебное питье для Брайана (первый раз от похмелья, второй для потенции) удивительно перекликаются (Брайан оба раза кривится, про первое говорит, что туда бабушка мочилась, второе – дерьмо яка – и оба раза выпивает тем не менее)), или, например в 112 Джастин объясняет Майклу, почему Брайан оттолкнул его, а в 409 это объясняет Майкл Джастину, 202 и 409 (проблемы с сексом), проведены по очень близкой схеме (неудачная попытка, обращение к специалисту, безрезультатное следование его инструкции, неожиданное "стороннее вмешательство", приводящее к решению проблемы)

Но в пятом масштабы и, вероятно значимость, как мне кажется, выходят на новый качественный уровень прямо-таки. Я выложу некоторые из тех, что оформились у меня графически на данный момент, к некоторым напишу комментарии, субъективные естественно.

Пусть первой будет эта, хотя и обнаружила я эту параллель не так давно и одной из последних. (и которую я выкладывала уже в теме про пятый уже)


211 - 513 лесбосвадьба?

Я не уверена, что это означает, но походу свадьба БиДжи была задумана не только как жалкая имитация гетеро с непременной моногамией, но и буквально проассоциирована с лейсбийской, потому что в такое количество таких случайных совпадений по двум сериям, мне не очень верится.

Девишник-Мальчишник в обеих сериях, с той разницей, что девишник был и для Мел и для Линдс, в то время, как мальчишник, несмотря на присутствие Джастина, выглядит как устроенный только для Брайана, ну и второе отличие, что ни одна из лесб не ведет себя как приговоренная к смертной казни.

Водяной буйвол. Добрые Коулипы… в 211 Джастин предлагает подарить лесбам на свадьбу водяного буйвола, в 513 в свою очередь ему самому на свадьбу, точнее Брайану, предлагают подарить… водяного буйвола.
(хотя я не очень вообще понимаю, в чем прикол с этим буйволом, в чем смысл шутки)

И там и там прекликающиеся, сходные диалоги о жертвах и счастье Брайана, почитайте.
И там и там Брайан употребляет по отношению к Джастину сходные выражения
Ну и до кучи финальные кадры обеих серий – эти одинаковые зеленые лучи (видели ли мы их еще где-нибудь в какой-нибудь серии, или они есть только в этих?)

из обеих этих лесбийских свадеб Брайан Кинни должен был выйти свободным как ветер, счастливым, танцующим, под несмолкающую тампу-тампу... ни оправданий, ни сожалений?
мой взгляд не оптимистичный и не благодушный, наверное возможен какой-то другой, как и выводы...




507 – тоже достаточно удивительна в этом плане
И у меня вышло аж две иллюстрации. 220-507 и 304-507

220-507

Помимо того, что согласно Коулипам, причина ухода Джастина и там и там одинакова – это погоня за имитацией гетеро, суть которой моногамия. Фентифлюшками ее маскировали разными в двух сезонах, во втором – пикниками и цветочками, в пятом домами и детьми, но суть одна и та же, (хотя в пятом это уже гораздо печальнее для БиДжи), но и помимо сути:

Разговор Брайана и Джастина в 507 перед уходом Джастина -
практически калька с 220 по тексту, и происходит ровно в тех же декорациях.

в обеих сериях есть финальное объятие, хотя оно и не такое схожее, как сам разговор, но тем не менее...



Наверное сюда же, в 507 можно было бы сделать еще одну иллюстрацию – это разговоры Джастина с Майклом, схоже-отличные, но этого пока нет, и даже не уверена, что реально оно скомпонуется, зато есть вот что

304-507

Удивительно похожи две сцены внешне, а так же возможно и по смыслу.

Я процитирую то, что уже писала в обсуждении пятого сезона у Реды, что подумала, когда вдруг обнаружила сходство сцен.
....вспоминается Брайан в 304, врывающийся в дом сестры... есть в сценах какая-то параллель помимо чисто "внешнего" сходства? там непримиримые противоречия с кровной семьей, и неприятие его семьей его гейской сущности и того, кто он есть... тут, непримиримые противоречия с его фактической семьей, неприятие ею ... его гейской сущности, того кто он есть?

И уже после, сравнительно недавно, я заметила, что и заканчиваются серии парно, по сути идентично…



Добавлю еще картиночку, не касающуюся БиДжи и не особо многозначительную, и на сейчас пожалуй на этом остановлюсь, а то очень много сразу)


Странная сцена. Дважды за пять лет мы видели секс в самолете, первый закончился трагедией, Брайан рассказывающий именно Эммету о своих приключениях, и Эмметт, у которого похоже никаких воспоминаний не мелькает…

UPD сегодня 509

не знаю, многозначительно это или нет... точнее заложены ли параллели и значит ли что-нибудь или вышли случайно
но пусть даже и случайно, все равно забавно, тем более их в серии больше одной, и все с первым сезоном

Две выставки - 106-509

смотреть иллюстрацию

вторая - окончание серии 112-509

в первом сезоне в 112 мы видим, как страдающий без майкла брайан разговаривает с тедом, представляя, что разговаривает с майклом, и тоже самое происходит в 509... с той только разницей, что отношение Брайана к Теду уже иное, чем в первом.... "Что угодно... для друга"

смотреть иллюстрацию

скомпоновалась картинка коряво, но ладно, потом может переделаю



и надо бы еще добавить картинку, как дебби приходит к брайану, поговорить с ним о майкле и его отношениях с майклом, как и в 111, и хотя с одной стороны сцена, по настрою дебби и по ее цели в 509 отличается от той, что в первом сезоне, но с другой при всем отличие, думаю ее можно считать парной, и к тому же она в серии, где уже присутствуют две отсылки (вольные или невольные) к первому сезону

запись создана: 12.11.2012 в 10:18

@темы: пятый сезон

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Конец OHP

ourhitparade.com/post/35219406098/thank-you-for...

Эра OHP (OUR HIT PARADE) подходит к концу, последние шоу состоятся 19 декабря



Оно просуществовало почти четыре года, с февраля 2009
Рэнди впервые принял участие 20-го марта 2009, последний - 16 ноября 2011

ну и не только из-за рэнди жаль, что больше их не будет, а как-то и вообще
насколько я понимаю, мероприятие было заметное, искрометное, хотя многое там и не совсем в моем вкусе, каждый месяц собирающее в качестве участников и зрителей ярких творческих людей, думаю там в НЙ по нему будут многие скучать.


на ноябрь рэнди не заявлен среди участников, декабрьского списка еще нет.
на своих ресурсах они обещали выкладывать в ближайшее время разные материалы - Q&A, фото, видео... ну, посмотрим

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Немного про шоу у Ларри Кинга

Тот аспект, которому как-то обычно не достается внимания, и я не знаю, насколько он вообще очевиден, хотя может и очевиден.
Значимость этого шоу для сериала и то, каким оно вышло

(если вдруг кто-тто не смотрел передачу и не читал транскрипт – это можно сделать здесь queerasfolk-rus.livejournal.com/27226.html , а на английском здесь www.angelfire.com/home/qaf/king_1.html)

Диспозиция и время действия.
6 апреля заканчиваются съемки второго сезона, актеры покидают Торонто и должны встретиться через полторы недели на шоу Ларри Кинга. Первый раз эфир был назначен на 18-апреля, но был отменен буквально в последнюю минуту.
Питер, Скотт, Мишель и Теа в Лос-Анджелесе, Гейл, Роберт и Рэнди в НЙ. Гейл, возможно, по каким-то делам связанным с Крупицами Правды, съемки которых начнутся через 3 месяца здесь, в НЙ, где вроде живет Дженнифер Элстер, Роберт не знаю почему, Рэнди к моменту состоявшегося эфира успевает дать интервью Саймону Думенко для NYmag, занят репетициями, и 23-го, накануне состоявшегося эфира у Ларри посещает пати NYmag, устроенную журналом в честь выпуска посвященного геям (на этой пати снято первое совместное фото Рэнди и Саймона). Шэрон в Майами, но, впрочем, всего через три-четыре дня после 24-го она тоже будет в НЙ.

А 18 апреля все актеры собираются в студиях, несмотря на разные важные события в мире они должны выйти в эфир, каждый в назначенных городах, (в разных городах они, как я понимаю, где каждый по своим делам, плюс, возможно, из-за того, что технически всех их разместить в студии в ЛА вероятно было бы нереально, несмотря на ее размер). Так вот, все собираются, в ЛА Ларри выходит лично дружелюбно поприветствовать гостей, он им рад, их гримируют, проводят в судию, Питер уже прилаживает наушник около стола Ларри, когда приходит сообщение об аресте Роберта Блейка, и Ларри говорит им сорри, ребята, но таков новостной бизнес, нашу встречу придется перенести.
И ее переносят на 24-е.

Насколько я понимаю, это шоу было достаточно важно для сериала, но главное, что интересовало Ларри - это сексуальная ориентация актеров, что именно заставило актеров-натуралов взяться за эту работу, каково им сниматься в секс-сценах с партнерами своего пола и сексуальный аспект сериала.

Вот мнение Скотта, то, что он написал по свежим следам в журнале, который тогда вел на своем сайте. (целиком журнал тут moveforever.diary.ru/p163795425.htm на английском)

6 мая 2002-го года:

«Déjà vu» даже не начинает выражать ощущение странности от возвращения в судию CNN почти неделю спустя. ВСЕ мы одеты точно в ту же одежду, едим такие же ломтики сыра и дыни, sporting the same sassy attitudes* и прически. Мы нервно ожидаем, что топор упадет снова. Какое событие отменит нас на этот раз. Но ничего экстренного не случается, и прежде, чем успеваем осознать, мы уже смотрим первый из 2 246 кадров поцелуев «Брайана» и «Джастина», под голос Ларри: «Сегодня – слишком горячо для ТВ? Популярный сериал канала Showtime "Queer as Folk" раскаляет экраны. Это не очередная «Эллен».1 Он откровенный, жёсткий и очень спорный. И хотя он спродюсирован геями и речь в нём идёт о геях, большинство актёров в нём натуралы.»** Ох-хо. ЭТО их «угол зрения»? Это то, почему мы стоим того, чтобы появиться в новостях? Я чувствовал, что нас ожидает долгий час. Но потом я вспомнил, что мы «Команда QAF». Я не на сто процентов уверен, что Ларри был готов к нам. Он был определенно ошеломлен числом участников и его неспособность постичь, что актеры-натуралы могут играть персонажей-геев была своего рода очаровательна, но, к несчастью, она ограничила рамки вопросов, которые его интересовали. Я думаю, мы все ожидали много большего от него и от этого шоу. Не поймите меня неправильно, это было ПОТРЯСАЮЩЕЕ событие для нашего сериала. Тот факт, что QAF (продукция Шоутайм), был на CNN (которой владеет та же самая родительская компания, что и HBO) – это удача, и нашему замечательному PR-отделу (вперед, Джеки! Вперед, Джеки!) пришлось работать два года, чтобы это произошло. Но любой, кто на самом деле знает наш сериал, осознает, насколько он больше, чем просто секс. Так что, хотя это совершенно потрясающе, что CNN представит его миллионам людей повсюду, которые могли о нем не знать, я не уверен, что они смогут получить наилучшее представление. Но, тем не менее, секс помогает продавать, Детка!»

Скотт, вообще, пишет шутливо, в том числе и завершает рассказ на том, что Ларри устроил ему камин-аут, как лесбиянке, прежде чем Скотт мог сказать своей семье, он был не готов, он был в ярости и поэтому солгал, что он не лесбиянка, и весь остаток шоу у него прошел в тумане. Но я думаю то, что он выше говорил о шоу, он говорит серьезно. И как я предполагаю, выражает в данном случае не только свое личное мнение об этом шоу, ощущение от него, и том, как Ларри провел его, как члены каста там себя чувствовали, и чего ожидали от шоу.


* не уверена как перевести в контексте.
** перевод цитаты Анастасии Кисиленко.

Вот еще по свежим следам мнение участника, Хэла.

Open Mike - Saturday, May 4th, 2002. Guests: Tommy Lee, Hal Sparks

М: Я видел вас всех на шоу Ларри Кинга. Вам досталось много внимания.

Х: Да. Это было очень весело, быть там. (саркастически)
С человеком таким знающим, и понятия не имеющим, о чем он говорит. Это было так…

(одобрительные возгласы и аплодисменты)

Х: Знаете, он указал на меня и объявил: «Питер Пейдж! Как актер натурал, играющий роль гея, вы… о, подождите… (переводит указывающую руку)… Хэл Спаркс!»

М: (смеется) Парень ничего не знает. Я смотрел, и парень ничего не знает о сериале.

Х: Да, я знаю! Нас отменяли. Мы должны были быть на неделю раньше, из-за…

М: Он назвал сериал `Strange as People'

Х: Да. Он назвал его `Queers on Parade' в какой-то момент.

(смех)

Х: Или, типа, вы ребята каждый год участвуете в гей парадах, правильно? Я понятия не имею о чем он говорил.

на английском

Open Mike - Saturday, May 4th, 2002. Guests: Tommy Lee, Hal Sparks
M: Now, I saw the entire cast on Larry King Live. You're getting a
lot of notice down there.

H: Yeah. That was a lot of fun being on Larry King (sarcastic). To
have a man so educated know so little about what he's talking about.
It was so...

[cheers and applause]

H: You know, he's pointing at me going, "Peter Paige! As a straight
actor playing a gay role, you're a ... oh wait...(moves pointing
arm)...Hal Sparks!"

M: [laughing] The guy knows nothing. I saw it and the guy knows
nothing about the show.

H: Yeah, I know! We got bumped. We were supposed to be on a week
earlier, because...

M: I believe he called the show `Strange as People'

H: Yes, he did. He called it `Queers on Parade' at one point.

[laughter]

H: Or, like, you guys do the Gay Pride thing every year, right? I
don't know what the hell he was talking about.

Хэл не говорит о разочаровании или недовольстве, но высмеивает вместе с ведущим беззастенчиво, и его впечатление от Ларри и этого шоу хоть сколько-нибудь благоприятным не назовешь.

Michael Musto. Известный ведущий колонки, гей, и тогда и сейчас участник тусовочной жизни гей-нью-йорка, неоднократно писавший и о Рэнди достаточно частной инфы, которую узнавал от него самого, пересекаясь с ним на разных тусовках, а так же периодически упоминающий и о других актерах сериала.
Написал он свое мнение тоже по свежим следам и довольно жестко. (видимо вообще предпочитает не миндальничать, особенное если вспомнить, как двумя годами позже он выскажется об одержимых фанатках Г/Р «This ass-crack-for-brains gang» )

6 мая 2002

«На прошлой неделе мы затронули тему интервью Ларри Кинга с кастом Queer as Folk, но могу я вдобавок указать, какой невероятно неприличной и старомодной была подача Ларри? Каждая звезда была представлена с отсылкой к его или ее сексуальной ориентации в реальной жизни, со словами, типа: «Как актер-натурал, почему вы согласились на роль гея?» Ой, гей! Такая техника неизбежно вела к некоторым ошибкам, потому что Ларри тупо предположил, что если ты не открытый гей, то должен быть натуралом, правильно? Более того, это выглядело как отвратительная попытка дистанцировать актеров от их ролей, как бы говоря: «Не волнуйтесь, ребята. Этот только изображает гея на ТВ.» Такая тактика никогда не была бы использована для представления ни одного другого проекта. (Сегодня с нами Николь Кидман, которая в реальной жизни не проститутка, Вуди Аллен, который на самом деле не ослеп и Шон Пенн, про которого известно, что он склонен к насилию.) Ко всему этому, Ларри, который обычно немного лучше соображает, задал кучу вопросов о том, насколько неприятно это должно быть – целоваться с людьми своего пола, и интересовался, какой урон такого рода вещи могут нанести карьере.»

La Dolce Musto
Larry King's Dumb Assumptions

на английском

by Michael Musto
May 6th, 2002 1:00 PM
Last week, we touched on Larry King's interview with the Queer as Folk cast, but may I further point out how unbelievably gross and retro Larry's approach was? Each star was introduced with a reference to his or her supposed real-life sexuality, with King saying stuff like, "As a straight actor, why did you take the role of a gay person?" Oy gay! This technique inevitably led to some mistakes, since Larry dumbly assumed that unless you were openly gay, you had to be straight, right? What's more, it seemed like a hideous attempt to distance the stars from their roles, as if to say, "Don't worry, folks. This one only plays a queer on TV." This tack would never be used to promote other projects. ("We now have Nicole Kidman, who's not really a prostie, Woody Allen, who isn't really going blind, and Sean Penn, who has been known to get violent.") What's more, Larry—who's usually a little savvier—asked tons of questions about how icky it must be to make out with members of the same sex, also dabbling in the damage this kind of thing might do to one's career. Meanwhile, they're all sitting on Larry King Live as stars of one of the hottest shows on TV. So just how damaging is it?

Ну и эпизод с Робертом, которого Ларри поставил в неловкое положение, благодаря своей невнимательности и неосведомленности.
Вот что рассказывал сам Роберт спустя год.

PG: Перед этим (камин аутом в Адвокате) вы увернулись от гей-вопроса у Ларри Кинга. Почему Вы сделали это?
Гант: Я до сих пор испытываю множество эмоций по этому поводу. Правда в том, что он не спрашивал меня. Женщина, делавшая пре-интервью спросила меня, гей ли я, и я сказал ей, что это не то место, где я хотел бы сделать это – открыться на национальном телевидении и быть прерванным рекламой Тойоты. В тот вечер (Кинг) представил меня, как «Роберт Гант – гетеросексуал», и я ответил: «На самом деле, жюри еще не вынесло вердикт, Ларри» (вопрос еще открыт).*** И позже он спросил: «Каково натуралу играть роль гея?» и я просто ответил, что это великолепно, участвовать в этом сериале. Я нервничал, это был прямой эфир. Я давал интервью через спутник, с трехсекундной задержкой. Это беспокоило меня. Я хотел быть честен. Меньше всего мне хотелось лгать.
metroweekly.com May 29, 2003

на английском

PG: Before that, though, you had dodged the gay question on Larry King Live. Why did you do that?
GANT: I still feel a good deal of emotion about that. The truth is, he never asked me. The woman who did the pre-interview asked me if I was gay, and I told her this wasn't the forum I wanted to do that in, to come out on national TV and then cut to a Toyota commercial. That night, [King] introduced me as "Robert Gant, heterosexual, " and I said, "Actually, the jury's still out on that, Larry. " *** And later in the show he said, "What's it like to be a straight man playing a gay role? " And I just said, "It's just great to be on the show. " I was nervous, it was live, and I was doing the interview via satellite with a three-second time delay. That really bothered me. I wanted to be honest. The last thing I wanted to do was lie.

Имхо, после первого ответа Роберта, если уж не озаботился ознакомиться с положением дел заранее, ведущему следовало как-то сориентироваться, переосмыслить ситуацию с ним и как-то иначе сформулировать свой следующий вопрос, но, то ли внимания на ответ не обратил, то ли не понял намек, то ли не счел нужным понять – не знаю.
К слову, Роберт никогда в прессе (во время работы в QAF, во всяком случае, да и прежде, наверное, нет), не называл себя натуралом, на вопрос об ориентации не отвечал.

*** the jury's still out on that – в англоязычном транскрипте этой реплики нет, но ее слышно на видео, да и тот же Musto цитировал еще в апреле 2002

И их приглашенный критик (critic/caricature © Скотт), посмотревший полтора года назад три первые серии, хотя на момент шоу у ЛК в эфир уже вышла 13-я серия второго сезона – не сказать, что отдает уважением к гостям и предмету приглашение столь сведущего эксперта…

Вот какая-то такая в общем складывается картинка. Хотелось бы очень конечно знать мнения и других участников эфира, как они, команда QaF, коллеги, друзья, соратники, каждый из них чувствовали себя там, но мне кажется более ничего не попадалось к сожалению. (или не помню)
И кстати, поскольку намечается кон в испании, и Татьяна предлагала придумать вопросы)) лично мне было бы очень интересно узнать и мнение Гейла, что он думает, и особенно, что думал тогда. Чувствовал ли он это близко к тому, как описал Скотт, или как-то иначе. Может в отличие от Скотта ожидал подобного. Что он почувствовал поняв, какой будет эта передача, разозлило его это, насмешило глупостью или напрягло, или что-то еще, или все вместе… хотя по прошествии стольких лет, может он уже и не скажет, если разозлило его это или огорчило или разочаровало, но интересно было б знать
Ну, впрочем, это я предлагаю скорее в плане шутки, потому как тратить драгоценные и немногочисленные вопросы на то, чтобы спросить об этом, в общем, не рационально наверное)

ЗЫ если где-то увидели лажу в переводе – дайте знать

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Я в раздумьях)

Мне прислали запрос на обсуждение моего перевода в новоявленном соо, и я не могу решить, что мне делать. С одной стороны мне претит идея этого (точнее такого рода) соо и такого рода обсуждений. (хотя в принципе конечно иногда хочется пообсуждать фики, редко, но бывают фики, которые очень хочется обсудить по той или иной причине, без разницы, главное хочется, только не так и не там, во всяком случае как на данный момент я себе предполагаю это может там происходить и какие принимать формы, хотя могу и ошибаться ). Но и в принципе обсуждения творчества часто выходят боком, наверное к сожалению, но факт. А фанфикшен я люблю не в последнюю очередь за то, что он очень разный. Меня не раз цепляли и радовали не блестяще написанные фики и отталкивали или даже возмущали своим смыслом или содержанием и отлично написанные.

С другой, честно скажу, я не вижу вообще смысла спрашивать разрешения на обсуждение творчества – на мой взгляд, это по меньшей мере странно, даже если оно выложено в «личном» дневнике. (ну если он закрыт под список и доступ в него по строгому отбору – тогда да, но не если в него может добавиться в ПЧ практически любой желающий)
Ну не личную же жизнь на все лады, да еще и во многом на основании своих домыслов, публично будут обсуждать чужие люди (я так думаю, даже несмотря на то, что для меня переводы – это личное и важное, и я понимаю, что для авторов это наверное так еще в большей степени) …
А кстати, еще интересно, если соо, по сути, такой же личный днев владельца, в котором владелец имеет право (вроде как считается) обсуждать все, что ему угодно и как угодно, не спрашивая ничьего разрешения, то я, опять же, не понимаю, зачем ему разрешение? Но если оно ему необходимо, то тогда разрешение необходимо и на обсуждение фиков выложенных в QAF-fanclub, потому что, по логике, оно тогда тоже не отличается в этом смысле от личного днева.
Впрочем, я понятия не имею о разнице в статусах по правилам дайрей в этом плане.

С третьей, споры о «критике» возникающие в фандоме примерно с частотой раз в пол года, за три с лишним года мне в принципе набили оскомину, честно сказать. (ну или просто в данный момент настроение у меня такое, хотя по этому посту этого не скажешь)). Но я по-прежнему не люблю, когда гурьбой налетают с критическими замечаниями особенно на новичков или делают вообще что-то, что наносит вред фиковому соо, которое я люблю, и долго оно было для меня средоточием жизни в русскоязычном фандоме.

Хотела бы я почитать именно «критические» или негативные отзывы на фики, которые переводила – ды пожалуй нет. Почему? Потому что я люблю эти фики.) Я знала, что такие отзывы мне не помогут, но боялась, что отобьют желание переводить, а переводить очень хотелось.)) Достоинства и недостатки, которые в них есть для меня, я и сама знаю. Впрочем, в каменах вроде случалось обсуждать, кому чего нравится, а что нет.) Переводила – ну как могла, так и переводила.
Что могут не нравиться, я отлично понимаю, и меня это не задевает в общем сильно. Мне самой нравится далеко не все, естественно, хотя сейчас я читаю совсем мало, да и всегда читала выборочно, ну, наверное, как и многие, в общем, только у каждого разные критерии выбора.
Пошла бы я читать обсуждение своего перевода на стороннем ресурсе (там где я не выкладывала фик) негативное ли, позитивное, или разбор по косточкам – не знаю. Непредсказуемо для меня. Зависит от разных обстоятельств, в данном соо наверное бы не стала читать. Не знаю. И это не значит, что я в принципе вообще против любого рода замечаний, конечно нет, и что меня в принципе не интересуют мнения людей.

Возникало ли у меня желание самой что-то сказать авторам эдакое – бывает, естественно, иногда, хотя я обычно сходу понимаю, стоит ли мне читать фик вообще, и если нет, то просто не читаю. Но иногда оставляла такие каменты, и с несогласием, и с какими-то замечаниями небольшими, но я знаю, что мои претензии, или мое с чем-то несогласие – это по большей части мои личные заморочки, насколько бы сильно я в них не верила - да я терпеть не могу, когда «так», или мне мешает, когда «так», или я думаю, что это не правильно, но это просто мое мнение, и я не уверена, что оно объективно правильное и что автор в нем нуждается. (но вот если спросили, или дали побетить – тогда другое дело, я его обязательно выскажу)). Но вообще, это конечно все сильно обобщено, но описать нюансы просто невозможно)

Много сказала, многое не сказала, ладно, пост и так длиннющий вышел, но я так и не решила, что делать с этим запросом, посему вероятно я просто не буду на него отвечать, просто не знаю, что ответить – мне не хочется разрешать, но и запретить, я себя не чувствую вправе. Такой вот упс)).

ЗЫ по поводу какого-либо возможного негативного отношения к тем, кто не желает «критики» от первого встречного и поперечного

Рэнди Харрисон – интервью для metroweekly.com (2010):

- Читаете рецензии?
- Нет.

- Никогда не читаете рецензии?
- Читал, но перестал, потому что среди множества хороших отзывов однажды я нашёл рецензию, которая сделала почти невозможным моё дальнейшее участие в спектакле. Это было то, что ранило меня. И я понимал, что это несправедливо. Эта рецензия не имела смысла для меня и для любого, кто участвовал в том проекте, так зачем подвергаться риску стать неспособным делать то, ради чего меня наняли?

- Как вы справились с этим? Потому что это очень тяжелый момент, когда думаешь: «Не знаю, смогу ли я продолжать».
- Я просто продолжил работать в спектакле, но стало труднее. Тот факт, что рецензия смогла настолько повлиять на меня, заставил меня понять, что и рисковать не стоит. Это просто не на пользу.

queerasfolk-rus.livejournal.com/76945.html

)))

и я думаю, такая позиция среди, например, актеров, далеко не уникальна

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со съемок 401

Разговор Брайана с Майклом около лофта, когда Майкл возвращает корвет.

Если присмотреться к моменту, когда Брайан, сидящий в машине, бросает в Майкла банку, то в левом нижнем углу хорошо видна его голова, тогда как на плане из-за спины Майкла, Брайан, кидая банку, из машины не высовывается и, следовательно, ее не должно быть видно …

вот сделала гифку с этого момента для наглядности

СМОТРЕТЬ ГИФКУ

а вот капсы

из-за спины Майкла





и Майкл лицом к зрителю
сначала из-за плеча Брайана



и с этого же места момент, когда Брайан уже в машине и бросает банку (тут как раз видно голову)



так почему видна голова, которой видно быть не должно?

А потому что для съемок этого плана (Майкл лицом к зрителю), корвет отогнали в сторону, на асфальт положили перевернутые деревянные ящики из под яблок, на которые и садился Гейл, делая вид, что садится в машину, (одна из наблюдавших, Liz, клянется, что один раз Гейл издал звук "vroom!", изображая, что заводит двигатель), а Хэл просто имитировал, что опирается на машину)
Вот так) мешает машина поставить камеру – убираем машиму, заменяем на ящики и продолжаем снимать)
(Мы как-то походу обсуждали съемки диалогов в теме «секс-сцены и белье в кадре», может не очень информативно, но раз в тему вот на всякий ссылка туда moveforever.diary.ru/p167994886.htm?from=90)

Про эту же сцену, этот диалог из 401, еще из рассказа Тороно Фан, что обычно, репетируя сцену при выключенных еще камерах, актеры не особо стремятся целоваться, но тут Хэл поцеловал Гейла в губы, что свидетельствует о том, что актеры чувствуют себя комфортно друг с другом, по мнению автора отчета.

И еще, сцену снимали ближе к вечеру и люди разъезжались по домам с работы, водители, которых просили подождать, когда доснимут дубль, чтобы не мешать, проявляли вежливость и терпение, никто не сигналил раздраженно из-за задержки, очень по-канадски, и только из одного минивэна, проезжающего мимо, когда Гейл и Хэл стояли на тротуаре около лофта, высунулся пассажир мужского пола улюлюкая и окликая их. Когда машина доехала до перекрестка и стала поворачивать, выяснилось, что этот пассажир – Роберт Гант (ну, он же американец)), а энергии он был полон потому, что его рабочий день еще только начинался)

@темы: Хэл Спаркс, в кадре и за кадром, интересности QAF, Гейл Харольд

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"Pittsburgh: Some Place Special"

первая встреча, диалог Брайана и Джастина под фонарем

B - "Where you headed?"
J - "No place special"
B - "I can change that"

я не особо вникала что и к чему (если кто-то хочет, то было б неплохо), а я просто повторю со слов netlagd, что
в 70-80е городским слоганом, рекламной компанией Питтсбурга было "Pittsburgh: Some Place Special" )

случайно ли ответ Джастина таков, или своего рода отсылка сценаристов к истории города, не знаю, но забавно)

и еще забавно, что на логотипе присутствует радуга)

@темы: в кадре и за кадром

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Дом Скотта)

с сайтов недвижимости ЛА
так я понимаю был выставлен на продажу (вероятно, я не очень эту их систему понимаю), в марте.
и мы можем на него посмотреть снаружи и изнутри





но кстати интересно, какое обманчивое впечатление по фоткам, кажется , что дом скотта больше, чем дом гейла (ну мне во всяком случае так показалось), но если сравнивать по цифрам, то получается у гейла дом прилично больше, и по площади (скотт - 1,784 sqft, у гейла 2566 sqft living) и по количеству спален и ванных (у скотта 2 и 3, соответственно, у гейла 4 и 4)



ну и еще до кучи, скотт свой дом купил раньше, в июне 2004, а у гейла дата записи о покупке - 30 марта 2005, и между их домами довольно большое расстояние - 7,5 миль (типа 11 км)

но собственно вот сам дом скотта



сделала капсы, смотреть в большом размере

























































и кстати, на фотки попало зверье скотта) ссылку на видюшку с которым он постил на твиттере 25 июня прошлого года, к легализации однополых браков в НЙ, случившейся накануне вечером

вот они, пусть будут, раз уж они часть дома)
собаку зовут Gertie, а кота не знаю как)

@темы: Scott Lowell

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Сайт Particles of truth (Крупицы правды)

Был в свое время такой, играла на нем вот такая музыка


и выглядел он вот так:

смотреть дальше страницы сайта

и была на нем такая вот довольно обширная подборка прессы, статей, имеющих отношение к фильму (смотреть ниже под катом)

смотреть дальше

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пара слов)

на днях у меня тут штук 20 тем оказались подняты, я честно сказать не очень понимаю, как это произошло, потому что я их не поднимала)
отправлять на место пришлось вручную, техподдержка ситуацию не прояснила, собственно просто предложили отправить вручную каждую на место... хорошо, что они не все какие есть, всплыли, вот это было б сильно)) и хочется надеяться, что такое не повторится...
но, раз уж - буду считать, что это провидение мне неделикатно напомнило, что надо хоть че-нить выложить что ль

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поза-поза-поза-вчерашние новости)

поскольку в последнюю неделю почти инет у меня был кривой совсем, а времени свободного мало, то за жизнью в сети я следила, а вот самой писать неудобно было очень, так что задним числом уже сделаю пост себе)

первое
микс Брайана

скрин поста

походу посвященной их третьей годовщине (хотя раньше было как-то принято считать, что они с осени 09 вместе, и на первую джуди рэнди отмечался что пойдет в начале сентября 09, но я предполагала, что знакомы они видимо были несколько раньше, а тут получается что и встречаться стали раньше) (интересно, в честь чего у них тогда в прошлом сентябре в один день парные авики были))

06/29

three years

названия треков текстом для удобства

jamie lidell - a little bit of feel good ( senor coconut mix )

david byrne - the great intoxication

jens lekman - into eternity

jane birkin avec cateano veloso - o leaozinho

the magnetic fields - lets pretend were bunny rabbits

kindness - house

celine dion - the power of love

randy & savage kiwi - briochon

owen pallet - lewis takes off his shirt ( cfcf mix )

miho hatori - crazy for you

bjork - come to me

anita baker - sweet love

roisin murphy - through time

arthur russell - a little lost

david sylvian - a fire in the forest

whitney houston - run to you

фотка в посте с миксом, можно сказать, для меня особенная) она была у Брайана на авике, когда в конце июля 2010 я впервые попала к нему на ФБ)

ну и конечно Рэндина песня в миксе.. этот такое вау, что я даже и не знаю что сказать)
серенада прям, видимо написанная им Брайну в честь его дня рождения (похоже)
и исполненная с Сарой Оливой (которая читает рэп)

текст песни записанный Тото
(в некоторых моментах мне кажется я слышу что-то чуть другое, но Тото виднее, особенно учитывая, что на слух я вообще плохо, но даже если там кое-где она и не точно расслышала, это вау... такие слова, что у меня слов просто нет))

Briochon, come on

take my loving every day
i couldn't have it any other way
baby, Bri
I will try
every year you live
to give you all the love i got to give

darling know
when we go
i'll have not lived my life right
if I haven't held you tight
almost every night

briochon briochon
come on come on

вау))

ну и да, Рэнди на твиттере,с 29-го июня
свершилось)
и я как и Бриджит Эверетт (хозяйка OHP, которая дружит с Брайаном и Рэнди) с трудом могу поверить) хотя когда под новый год Брайан завел твиттер, мысль, а не присоединится ли к нему в конце концов Рэнди - мелькнула)
ну, посмотрим, как оно и что будет...

скрины, несколько







еще делала, добавлю, они у меня на двух ноутах, первую со старого забрала, а потом там чето заглючило... впрочем это и так все уже видели, но чтоб было тут все равно

ну и фотка на авике до кучи, как же без нее

@темы: Randy&Brian, твиттер

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Чаты

давным давно хотела выложить их, собрать вместе

чаты 2000-2001 выкладывать не буду, все и так знают где их найти
но вот ссылки на них, раз уж когда-то собрала
и поскольку многие из них теперь есть с переводами, то и ссылки на переводы добавлю

queerasfolk.ca/reviews11.html
Transcript from Showtime Livechat with Dan Lipman & Ron Cowen from Talkcity Chat December 10th, 2000
Transcript from Showtime Livechat with Russell T. Davies December 17th, 2000

queerasfolk.ca/reviews13.html
Transcript from Showtime Livechat with Tony Jonas and Russell Mulcahy January 7th, 2001

queerasfolk.ca/reviews14.html
Transcript from Showtime Livechat with Gale Harold January 28st, 2001 (на русском queerasfolk-rus.livejournal.com/47605.html)
Transcript from Showtime Livechat with Randy Harrison February 4th, 2001 (на русском queerasfolk-rus.livejournal.com/97684.html)
Transcript from Showtime Livechat with Hal Sparks Chat February 11th, 2001

queerasfolk.ca/reviews15.html
Transcript from Showtime Livechat with Thea Gill February 18th, 2001

www.queerasfolk.ca/reviews16.html
Transcript from Showtime Livechat with Peter Paige February 25th, 2001
Transcript from Showtime LiveChat with Scott Lowell March 4th, 2001

queerasfolk.ca/reviews17.html
Transcript from Showtime LiveChat with Michelle Clunie March 11th, 2001
Transcript from Showtime LiveChat with Chris Potter March 18th, 2001 (на русском qafcollection.diary.ru/p176981764.htm)

queerasfolk.ca/reviews18.html
Transcript from Showtime LiveChat with Sharon Gless and Jack Wetherall April 1st, 2001
Transcript from Showtime LiveChat with Makyla Smith April 8th, 2001 (на русском qafcollection.diary.ru/p176150318.htm)
Transcript from Showtime LiveChat with Sherry Miller chat April 15th, 2001 (на русском qafcollection.diary.ru/p176709924.htm)

queerasfolk.ca/reviews19.html
Transcript from Showtime LiveChat with Thea Gill April 22nd, 2001

queerasfolk.ca/reviews21.html
Transcript from Showtime Livechat with S.Lowell & P.Paige June 17th, 2001 (на русском queerasfolk-rus.livejournal.com/108962.html)
Transcript from Showtime Livechat with R.Cowen & D.Lipman June 24th, 2001 (на русском queerasfolk-rus.livejournal.com/109253.html_
Transcript from Showtime Livechat with Randy Harrison June 03rd, 2001 (на русском queerasfolk-rus.livejournal.com/109561.html)

чето из переводов пропустила,но потом добавлю

Но выложить я хотела чаты 2002-2003-х годов (выложу не все сразу наверное, постепенно)

чаты 2002-го года
их тоже целый комплект, 12 штук
но найти их труднее (кроме как с Гейлом, который много где есть и на русский переведен, и с Рэнди, который я выкладывала в соо с его интервью и статьями тут rhintervews.diary.ru/ и который тоже к счастью переведен), а некоторые или большую может даже часть и вовсе просто так не почитаешь

2003 тоже соберу, хотя они все вроде есть на поверхности
Их всего четыре было проведено Шоутаймом, насколько я знаю: весной с Мишель и Хэлом, летом с Робертом и Скоттом
чат с Рэнди должен был 16 марта, но отменился по техническим причинам, потом был перенесен на 6 апреля, но так и не состоялся, с остальными, насколько я помню даже и анонсов про проведение не было (не знаю почему Шоутайм, или кто там, забросили это дело, но забросили, увы)






и от 2003-го года есть еще чат со Скоттом с сайта showcase, его тоже сюда потом

Ну собственно чаты:

2002

для начала пусть будет с Коулипами и Робертом

Chat with Executive Producers Ron Cowen & Daniel Lipman
January 06, 2002
From Showtime's Queer as Folk Site

Moderator1 Thanks for signing on for our chat with Ron Cowen and Dan Lipman, Executive Producers of Queer As Folk. Ron and Dan are the creators, writers and executive producers of the Emmy( Award winning drama series ""Sisters,"" which ran for six seasons and also received a Golden Globe nomination. Prior to that, they received an Emmy( Award for outstanding writing for their teleplay ""An Early Frost,"" which they also associate produced. This television drama also won the coveted Peabody Award and was nominated for a Golden Globe. Please welcome Ron & Dan!
Ron_Cowen We're thrilled to be back our second season! Thank you to all of the fans of Queer as Folk for returning and supporting us through the endore and reruns of the show. We hope you enjoy the second season! We have a lot of terrific stories and episodes coming up. So stay tuned.

Mark I can't tell you how much I enjoyed the show. I would like to know what issues you will be dealing with this season. Keep up the fantastic work and keep the episodes coming.
Ron_Cowen Mark, thank you for your kind words and support. It's great to have fans and supporters of the show like you. We'll be dealing with several pertinent issues that affect gay people. Issues that we have not yet addressed. We are hesitant to be specific about what they are because we don't want to spoil the storytelling. Be assured that we will continue to be concerned about all issues that affect gay people.
Dan_Lipman And also,Mark, know that along with the issues, there will be lots of humor and lots of sex, as is the Queer as Folk way.

viewer In the British version of ""QAF"", the Ted character dies from an o/d the Blake character gave him. Why'd you change that part when you brought it stateside?
Dan_Lipman Actually,the character Ted was supposed to suffer the same fate as his British counterpart. We wanted to kill him very much but we fell in love with the character and we met Scott Lowell and the combination of the two was irresistible. We gave him a reprieve and we can't imagine the show without Ted and Scott.

prkc What is the feedback of the American Series in England? Any idea?
Dan_Lipman We hear that the BBC bought the American version of Queer as Folk and will show it this coming year.

Cathyb question...Are you surprised by the HUGE amount of people who have embraced QUEER AS FOLK?
Ron_Cowen We had no idea that the show would be as popular as it is. We are also delighted that the straight audience likes the show as much as the gay audience. We are particularly pleased that women love the show.
Dan_Lipman The show has proven the success with a vast audience and we're thrilled about that.

KhuBeyah How do you feel about your strong ""Straight"" viewing audience that you have? And how did you manage to hook so many of us?
Dan_Lipman I think the audience hopefully is responding to characters that they feel invested in. Also, good stories and a great cast.
Ron_Cowen Sexual orientation of the characters comes secondary to those elements.

Major_Catch Ron, how on earth will you keep up the momentum on this ground breaking series? Are you going to bring in new writers and directors like last season?
Ron_Cowen We have some wonderful new writers helping us with the scripts. We have truly brilliant directors whose backgrounds are primarily independent film, keeping the show looking as exciting and imaginative as it looks. And we are always challenging ourselves to come up with stories that we feel are pertinent and controversial. We are also trying to deepen the emotional relationships of the characters in the second season. As they become more mature and complex, as they grow from boys to men, which we have always said is what QAF is really about. And I think that is why gay and straight people relate to the show. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight. We are all experiencing that same journey.

CitizenKane Hello guys. I really like the celebrity promos. Would you ever permit any big-name celebrities to do any actual guest apperences on the show?
Dan_Lipman First of all, to Citizen Kane, I love your movie! We thought you were dead! We have a great Citizen Kane joke coming up, so watch out for it. It's especially for you. We have not had any name celebrities on the show because we do not want to break the reality of the show. That is not to say it couldn't happen in the future, but we haven't explored that yet. If any big name celebrities are out there and wish to be on the show, let us know! Barbra, Cher, and Bette, this means you. And Elton, too.

smitty Have you incorporated any feedback from the media and us fans into the 2nd season of QAF?
Ron_Cowen We are very interested in our fans' reactions to the show. We read the website. We are not interested particularly in what the press has to say. We feel in many cases that peoples' personal issues of being gay pass as criticism.
Dan_Lipman A lot of people want to see Queer as Folk pushed in a politically correct direction. The show is not and never will be politically correct. That does not mean that we are out to offend people but politically correctness is the death of all creativity and we are out to tell the truth, even if it's uncomfortable.

MIRA Have you had to back down per say from any certain story lines?
Dan_Lipman No, we have never been challenged on a storyline by our network, Showtime. They have always supported us in any outrageous storyline that we have come up with. And that's part of the beauty of doing the doing on Showtime. They support us in our vision and what we put on the screen is not diluted in any way.

jason_Ne If you could change one thing about the show (knowing what you know now) what would that be?
Dan_Lipman That the characters not be gay. (That's a joke!) The show exploded from the first day that we were shooting the pilot. The world existed and I don't think we would change anything about it. We are thrilled with the cast, the production, and all the wonderful people who work on the show.
Ron_Cowen The wonderful thing about doing this series as opposed to a movie or play is that every week you constantly get to explore new aspects of the characters, the story. So that anything you may have overlooked or not thought about can be addressed later on and you can develop it further.

BigPowerLifter PLEASE screener give them my message,tell them I will work for FREE.I am a PowerLifter 6'2"" 290 60""Chest,36""w 20""Arms,30""Legs,20""Calves.Thanks.
Ron_Cowen You sound gorgeous! Thank you!
Dan_Lipman You just lifted our spirits!

HeyHeyHey134 Ron and Dan, I just want to know how you handle your jobs in relation to the material of QAF. I'm studying film and know that the position of producer is such a hefty undertaking.
Dan_Lipman The way to handle the job is to work 24 hours a day. It's very grueling, very demanding, and the only thing that really helps us get through is a deep conviction and passion for the project and also knowing how much the show means to our audience.

Loveyouboth Can you comment on what each of the main actors brings to the show?
Ron_Cowen It would be a very long answer, and would take up the rest of the hour. As a group, I will say they bring intelligence, charm, humor, courage, and an unbelievable commitment to how important this show is. Gay people and also straight people have come to understand and respect this world. They are very politically committed to the work. It is more than just a job for them. They are very passionate about what we are all trying to do. The fact that we have an equally passionate audience keeps that commitment going.

Jim_G Any chance for a feature film based on the series?
Ron_Cowen As a film, QAF would probably get an NC-17 rating, which means we probably couldn't do as a film what we can do as a TV series on Showtime.
Dan_Lipman If anyone out there is listening and wants to make it in a movie, we won't toss it out of bed.
Ron_Cowen I want to see it as an IMAX movie.
Dan_Lipman What if it were animated?

mikew75 is there gonna be a music section on the new website
Dan_Lipman There is a section on the new site that says what the music is for each episode.

grace Okay, tell me, do you have a blast on the set or what? Is there one cast member in particular who is more or less the comedian?
Dan_Lipman Hi, Grace, and thank you for the question. We all have a blast on the set. We have a wonderful crew. We have a great time, a lot of fun. We are very naughty. There is a lot of camaderie, and love, and we hope that translates to the screen. Everyone in the cast has a wonderful sense of humor, especially Hal Sparks, Peter Paige, and Scott Lowell. They keep everybody amused.
Ron_Cowen My dear partner Dan, our wonderful makeup artist Steven do ""I Love Lucy"" trivia all the time and makes us laugh with their impersonations of Lucy and Ethel. A big one is ""I wanted a toaster!""

gretchandanna Are you guys going to show more of Lindsey and Melanie in series two?
Ron_Cowen Yes. Lindsay and Melanie have a much more expanded role this season. A very major story line.

cole are the really kissing?
Dan_Lipman It is done with computer generated effects. We erased their mouths and we put in computer mouths and computer tongues. And if you believe that one Yes, Cole, of course they're kissing. What do you think?

doublea I think there is a double standard in the inustry that QAF has been criticized for i' portrayal of gays as an all-sex lifestyle, yet Sex and the City wins emmys, comments?
Ron_Cowen I absolutely think there's a double standard. I think many people are very uncomfortable seeing gay people sexualized. They prefer to see them as we have said in other interviews, as clowns or eunichs or comedic figures or people who have no sex lives. Even though our characters have full, rich, complex sexual lives, that's only a part of who they are, only a part of the story. People always seem to focus entirely on that alone, which in my mind reveals how very uncomfortable they are with that aspect of gay life.

lyla3 Can you explain the departure of Dr David? I think he added a diff flavor to the show. I will miss him
Ron_Cowen Dr. David had some very interesting aspects of gay life for the show through his relationship with Michael. But Michael is going to have a very interesting relationship with someone else this season which will always show some very interesting aspects of gay life which haven't been seen before. And some very interesting issues we have not dealt with that we feel are very important.

firestarter Do you have a lot of people telling you that the show has made an impact in their lives?
Dan_Lipman Firestarter, you just ignited us! One of the great rewards of doing the show for us is having people say how much the show affects them. There are many people who have never seen their lives on TV from week to week. A good example of this is last season, there was a letter on the website. Someone wrote in, "Until QAF, I always felt like a sideshow. Now I feel like a main attraction." I remember this everyday at work and it means a great deal to Ron and to me. We appreciate our audience very much.

Syk Do any of the actors/actresses get a chance to ad lib or help develope the storylines with the writers?
Ron_Cowen Sometimes the actors will make suggestions for line changes, which we certainly consider. Sometimes they have ideas for storylines. For the most part, I would say that the actors are not that involved in the writing side of the show. We don't let our writers act!

babsthunder First off, absolutely smashing job!! Second, I was wondering if you were going to address Brian's relationship with his family in light of what happened.
Ron_Cowen Thank you Babsthunder. We are doing a very interesting storyline with Brian's family later on in the season. It's personally one of my favorite episodes and I look forward to seeing it. I look forward to you seeing it.

mark6 Any chance of the British cast making cameo appearances?
Dan_Lipman This is something we wanted very much to do, and so did Russell T Davies, the creator of the British QAF. And we were going to write this episode together, Ron and Dan and Russell, because we are great friends and great fans of each other's work. We wanted the boys from Britain to meet the boys from Pittsburgh. Unfortunately, we could not work it out with the British cast, so this will forever be a fantasy episode, so think about it, imagine it, and enjoy it.

HomerWells Was anything special done for the dvd set? i would love to see the interactions between the actors
Dan_Lipman Thank you, Homer, for the question. The DVD is wonderful, beautifully packaged by Showtime, with a lot of goodies. The shows themselves look sensational in wide screen. The special edition episodes are on it, with special interviews of the producers and the cast. Hal Sparks presents deleted scenes, never cut, and bloopers, also known as a gag reel. That's what on this last season's DVD. Perhaps next season's DVD, we'll try to have more actor interaction.

mrbb Will episodes in the new season be aired in Widescreen at all? It was so nice to see reruns of the 1st season in widescreen!
Dan_Lipman Yes. The show looks spectacular in wide screen. And we believe that the encore presentation the second season will be in wide screen on Tuesday nights at 11PM on Showtime.

hipchickla What does Russell Davies think about the directions you have been taking the series? It's quite different from the British QAF
Ron_Cowen Russell is our number one fan. He writes us these very long love letters. He keeps us going. There is no way to tell you how important his support is to us because he certainly did not have to give it. The fact that he thinks our American QAF is wonderful is one of the greatest joys of doing this show. To honor his work.
Dan_Lipman You must remember that starting with the bris in episode 3 last season, we departed almost immediately from the British show, so most of the American show has been completely different from the British version.

DiaKinney I think QAF is the best television show ever made. I hope this hasn't been asked already, but do you recieve a lot of negative responses from those who don't understand the show?
Ron_Cowen What a wonderful thing to say Dia! Are you related to Brian? He's also a Kinney. Yes, we receive a lot of criticism. We expected to because of the nature of the show, and because it can be pretty extreme. It is controversial by nature. A lot of the criticism we receive seems to reflect a certain discomfort that some people have with the subject matter. But even moreso with themselves. A lot of gay people seem to take issue with the show because it's telling things and showing things that they are uncomfortable with. Things they may be afraid for other people to see or that they are not comfortable with in themselves.

Joel617 When will you guys say...OK, we've done enough shows. Exit with GLORY!?
Ron_Cowen I think we will know when we have reached that point. We don't feel it yet because we feel there are more stories to be told and more aspects of the characters to discover. But I agree with you that a series should know when to end gracefully and not go beyond its time.
Dan_Lipman More importantly, Joel, are 617 your measurements?
Ron_Cowen And on that typical QAF remark, thank you. We would like to thank everyone for sharing this conversation. It has been very rewarding for us and we hope for you guys too.
Dan_Lipman Keep us posted as to what you think of the second season. We hope you enjoy it. A lot of work, thought, blood and passion have gone into it. But you guys are worth it! We love you. Thank you.

Moderator1 Thank you for chatting with Ron Cowen and Dan Lipman. We hope you've enjoyed the chat and the season premiere of QAF. Tune in to SHOWTIME next Sunday, January 13 at 10pm ET/PT for an all-new episode. Keep visiting the all-new queer.SHO.com for more insight into QAF, and come back next Sunday to chat with Thea Gill who plays ""Lindsay."" The chat room will open at 10pm ET (7pm PT) so that you can chat with other QAF fans during the episode! If you missed tonight's season premiere, tune in to SHOWTIME on Tuesday at 11pm ET/PT to catch the encore play. Keep visiting the all-new queer.SHO.com for more insight into QAF, and come back next Sunday to chat with Thea Gill who plays ""Lindsay."" The chat room will open at 10pm ET (7pm PT) so that you can chat with other QAF fans during the episode! See you next time! Copyright (c)2001, Showtime Networks, Inc. All rights reserved

Chat with Robert Gant, "Ben"
March 10, 2002
From Showtime's Queer as Folk Site

Moderator1 Welcome everyone! Thanks for signing on for our chat with Robert Gant. Robert plays "Ben" on Queer As Folk. Robert began acting in television commercials at the age of ten and at eleven was a part of Bob Hope's USO tour. Following high school, Robert pursued law at Georgetown Law School but continued to perform in numerous theatrical productions. After graduating he moved to Los Angeles to work for a law firm, but soon after their Los Angeles office closed. Taking that as a sign, he decided to focus all of his time on his acting and has been working ever since. Robert was most recently seen on the WB's "Popular" as the eccentric vice principal. His other television work includes guest-starring roles on "Friends," "Caroline in the City," "Veronica's Closet," "Becker," "Melrose Place" and "Ellen." He also appeared in the independent film "The Contract." Welcome to our QAF chats for a first time, Robert. Let's get started and talk about the ninth episode of season two!
Robert_Gant I'm really excited to be doing this chat tonight. And looking forward to talking to everyone. So hi everybody! Let's get started.

Marion You're handsome Robert, what made you join the qaf cast?
Robert_Gant I was really excited about the opportunity to take part in a show that ... is not only entertaining but that is groundbreaking. And that will mean and has meant so much for so many people. I became aware that a great deal of change was occurring as a result of the show ... and I was excited to be a part of it.

Lance31inSWWash Rob - your character and work is great on QAF - what response have you received since you are the only functioning/sexually active HIV+ character on TV?
Robert_Gant Lance, the response has been pretty extraordinary. I have gotten many emails and phone calls and had people come up to me in the gym ... and elsewhere to share their appreciation for the storyline and for Ben and Michael's relationship. And also their concerns. Their fears. The reaction has been extremely broad. But almost invariably good. It's made me really more and more grateful to be a part of this as I get to talk to people. And as they show me how much what Ben's walking through means to them.

CAstroboy What has been the most demanding aspect of portraying Ben thus far for your as an actor?
Robert_Gant You as an audience have yet to see some of the journey that Ben will experience. And it's at times quite a wild ride. It's been emotionally challenging. I've had to really dig to do justice to some of the painful experiences that Ben is walking through. I've had to do a lot of meditating afterwards to come back out of it. The hardest thing has been coming back from it. As an actor, my job is to have the experience. To actually walk through the things that Ben is walking through in that moment or in that scene. And so if I'm doing my job, I'm going through some really painful stuff on occasion. And sometimes I'm not as good as I'd like to be at getting back to a peaceful place. Getting back to Bobby. Sometimes it takes me a couple of days. And I've really had an emotional spill-over from just digging through the morass of emotions I've had to dig through.

steve Robert: Being on a show that is so "raw" is there anything that you would not consider doing?
Robert_Gant I guess the litmus test for me in my life and thus in my work, is, "does it cause me to feel respect for myself?" And "does it show respect for others?" I guess if something failed that litmus test, I probably wouldn't do it. Or at least I'd put up a hell of a fight. Sometimes there is some full-on frontal nudity on the show. And I'm not sure what I think about that! We'll just have to wait and see.

indygary did you (robert) know you were going to be topless in every episode?
Robert_Gant No, I didn't know. And it hasn't been every episode. I have to give the writers credit. Being without clothes and topless is certainly a part of the show. It's actually not been gratuitous. And I wasn't sure whether that would be the case or not before I signed on. But the reality is that the producers and writers are incredibly respectful. And constantly aware of that balance. I think they push the envelope, which is a wonderful thing. But I don't think they really cross the line in an inappropriate way. They really care about the show. And before I got the part, I started doing tons of spin classes. I became an aerobic fanatic when I realized that I was probably going to have to bare so much to all of America.

kristal Robert I noticed you had a six pack, how in the world do you achieve such beauty?
Robert_Gant Well Kristal, obviously you received that $20 in the mail. Thank you for making sure to get that question through. I will definitely pass along your comment to my mom. I know she will be extremely appreciative since she's the source. But the truth is, I was a really fat kid. And at some point along the way, it became really important to me to care for my body. In the early stages it probably had more to do with feeling "less than." And it has moved fortunately into a place in which it is fueled by my desire to nurture myself. I can't stress the cardio enough.

GeorgeFromNJ who is your favorite singer? / favorite type of music?
Robert_Gant George, the truth is that I don't think that I have a favorite. I hate to take that "out", but I'm one of those guys who loves so many different types of music. My dad used to listen to everything when I was a kid. From 50's music to Bob Marley to country. I used to sing classically as a kid, so I love so many different kinds of music. Music is definitely an important part of my life. In fact, had I not decided to become an actor, I probably would have pursued some sort of musical career.

ericmsguy Robert, have you done any broadway work?
Robert_Gant You know, you really struck a chord there! I've done a lot of musical theatre growing up. In fact right before I got QAF, I was cast as the lead in the national touring company of "Music Man." As Professor Harold Hill. I had to fly to New York to meet Susan Strohman, who is the big producer on Broadway responsible for Contact and The Music Man revival. And The Producers. And it was this amazing experience. She had very kind things to say and said, "You're going to be great on the tour." And not a week later, they announced that the tour was going to be made non-Equity. Which is a new trend in touring companies and there was a huge outrage. Picketing. And Equity spoke with me and asked me not to do the show. I have to tell you that playing Harold Hill has been my greatest dream since I was a little boy. And it was such a painful thing letting go of that dream. That was one of those moments when I looked within and kind of listened and realized that passing on the show ... was the right thing to do. And lo and behold, within a month, I got the role of Ben. After a pretty arduous audition process. And as amazing as I'm sure that would have been ... this has been the most extraordinary experience of my acting career. And one of the most extraordinary experiences of my life. So it only reinforces my belief in trusting one's intuition. Trusting the universe. Trusting God. You can say it however you want to say it. They're really the same thing.

Jonathan63 Robert, Do you feel that hollywood places a stigma on actors that play a gay role?
Robert_Gant I think to the extent that Hollywood has placed a stigma on actors playing gay roles in the past ... fear was at the root. Producers, at the end of the day, want to make money. They want to know that they'll sell tickets. And that they will get viewers. And what has proven true in recent years and particularly within the last year or so ... is that stories about gay people and shows with some amount or even a great amount of gay content ... have been enormously successful. So I think the stigma is fast disappearing. It's a natural part of the process. I think we're all evolving as a culture. I applaud Hollywood in that it's very often at the forefront of furthering that evolution. I guess again, at the end of the day, I know I'll be taken care of. And I'll get just the roles I'm supposed to get. What I know about taking this role personally is that I am proud to be playing Ben. And proud to be a part of the show.

redisetgo Robert, what town were you born? Grew up? schooled for acting?
Robert_Gant I was born and raised in Tampa, FL. Lived there until I was 18 years old. Went to Jesuit High and then Chamberlin High School. Did lots of performing along the way. Then I went to Philadelphia to go to undergrad at the Univ. of Pennsylvania. Did a lot of singing and performing there as well. Then spent 3 years in D.C. in law school at Georgetown. Snuck in a little more singing and performing there too. Then headed to L.A. to work for a Chicago-based firm. It's the largest firm in the world, but their L.A. office had all sorts of in-fighting and attrition. A number of problems. And very shortly after I arrived they announced they were folding. Which was a dream come true for me. Because they gave me a big old severance package. And I immediately started sneaking out on auditions. Booked my first national commercials. I did a lot of commercials with kids. I think that was the one thing that caused me to be bitten by the bug. Maybe. Actually, probably not. But it was in the mix. And I started working with Howard Fine. Who is a phemonenal instructor. Studied with him for a number of years. He's pretty much solely responsible for my growth as an actor since I arrived in L.A.

nycguy Robert you're a very good basketball player. Who's your favorite team?
Robert_Gant The Magic of Hollywood! Truth be told, I'm a horrible basketball player. It's the one sport that I had pretty much never played before I got the sсript ... which said that I was to be an ace basketball player on the court. So, I can't say that I actually have a favorite team. The Tampa Bay Bucks are definitely my favorite football team. There's a great guy at the YMCA. He's actually the guy who heads up the program at the local Y. And he was a former basketball pro, Sean Parker. And in a few days he was able to transform me. Fortunately, I have played other sports so I was able to sneak out a few moves.

Aradia How did you get the part on the show?
Robert_Gant As I mentioned before, it was a really grueling process. Grueling only because it took so long. It took about a month. From the time that I got the breakdown for the character ... which is the casting description that is sent across town ... until the day that I was actually awarded the role ... it was about a month-long period. And they were casting in L.A., New York, Canada. But it's one of those roles that I just had a gut feeling about. From the time I read the description, I sort of had a feeling that this was going to happen. It's strange, really. It's that intuition and universe thing again. Just continually beating me over the head to just trust. And look what happened!@ I had a lot of callbacks and had to fly to Toronto to meet the producers. And then even after all that, had to meet with Hal to make sure we had chemistry.

bostonheart Do you enjoy doing the group scenes, or the one on one with Hal Sparks
Robert_Gant I'm assuming you mean group scenes and one-on-one in the platonic sense. In which case, I don't really have a preference. The group scenes tend to be more fun. And the one-on-one scenes are more intimate. Although, I am dealing with one hell of a standup comic, so the one-on-ones tend to be pretty darned hilarious.

tmooney Is Hal Sparks the "class clown" of the cast members? If not who is?
Robert_Gant Hal definitely gets the award! The guy has got a natural gift for comedy. It just pops out of him. Continuing to amaze me and I think most of the other crew members. He's a really good guy. I'm very lucky to be working with him.

noraht318 what is it like working with such a great cast?
Robert_Gant I've worked on a lot of different sets and with a lot of great individuals and groups of people, performers and otherwise. But the cast and crew at QAF definitely stand apart. I think because of the nature of the show, there is more to being a part of this than taking a paycheck. The show obviously means a lot to a lot of people and I think that the producers have sort of set a tone that ... trickles down through the crew and cast, which is one of kindness and diligence. People work hard. The cast works really hard. And we all have a really good time doing it.

phoebes99 How fun was it to guest on an episode of "Friends"?
Robert_Gant Guesting on Friends was a turning point of sorts in my career. Because it was such a big show and I was a little intimidated. But the cast could not have been nicer to me. It was sort of like walking through a dorm hallway. Each person's door was open and you got such a clear sense of who the person was by what you glimpsed as you walked by. Jennifer's room was very neat and beautiful with flowers. And Lisa's room was a little more disheveled but the table was completely cleared except for a lit candle right in the center. I had a great time on the show. Everybody worked hard there. It was fun.

BostonJava Did you do anything special for your professorial role?
Robert_Gant Honestly, I didn't have to do a lot. I was an English major in undergrad. I've always been something of a bibliophile. So being a professor of gay studies or comparative literature seemed a fairly natural segueway.

catwoman Do you prefer drama or comedy? Have you done comedy?
Robert_Gant I've done mostly comedy. Lots of sitcoms. And even one-hour comedy on Popular. And I have to say that I'm really enjoying the drama a lot more. That probably has to do with the fact that I've been so inundated with the comedy side of things./ Truth be told, I've had a great time doing comedy. It's just a breath of fresh air to get to do stuff that is so grounded and feels like it really means something. I love playing that.

anutternate Well Mr. Gant I hope you are in this show for the long haul... it is good to have a strong character relationship portrayed for a change... what if anything would you like seen added to the series?
Robert_Gant I think the show does a really wonderful job of covering a lot of bases, insofar as it juggles comedy and drama and does it really well -- which is really difficult. I think that things have emerged in the show through a natural evolutionary process. And I'm sure that more things will continue to emerge. I think I'd just like to see those things happen organically. But I think the show is right on track.

Queerbaby If you can give someone any advice to be an actor or actress, what would it be?
Robert_Gant As with anything, you just have to proceed with complete passion. And be honest with yourself as to the reason that you're pursuing what you're pursuing. And be honest with yourself when it ceases to really be your passion. I've given everything I have to making this dream really come alive and at the same time ... it's really important to maintain a sense of balance. You need to take care of yourself along the way, because ultimately you are your product. So self-nurture is really important. Therapy is a really, really great thing. As my acting instructor always says, "Your problems in life are invariably your problems on the stage." So to the extent that you can work out those things that block you in your life, you will be working those things out ... in your work as an actor. Just give it everything you've got if it's really what you want.

LolaHaze You mentioned being a bibliophile. Who are some of your favorite authors?
Robert_Gant As much as I am a bibliophile, this is still a tough question. Because like music, I have very eclectic tastes. I just finished reading The Hobbit, which I hadn't read since 9th grade. And it was a real treat. I loved his use of the language and I guess that's what I look for. I also read a lot of spiritual literature. I'm a huge fan of Conversations with God. But I love a good thriller. I've read lots of Grisham's books. I like the fun stuff and I like the intellectual stuff. Not that intellectual can't be fun.

dwayne what is the one tv show you would like to make a guest appenence on?
Robert_Gant Right now, I probably would most like to do a guest spot on Six Feet Under or Will & Grace.

snogit what do you do when you're not on the set or preparing for acting?
Robert_Gant I'm a writer. I have a writing partner. We write screenplays. We're just finishing our third feature. Which is a romantic comedy. I'm really excited about it. And as soon as I can tell you more, I will. I work out a lot. Obviously, I love to read. I'm really getting into the computer thing ... finally. After resisting it for a long time. After vowing never to get a PDA. And I'm really having fun learning how to do it all ... getting into the whole computer thing.

PhantomMagic You seem to be a lot like your character on QAF... I guess the whole "universe" concept really worked out. Do you feel you've reached a high goal?
Robert_Gant I'm not sure if you mean as an actor or as an individual. So I'll quickly respond to both. It's really important to me as a person to grow and evolve as fully as I can. I'm very invested in that. It's actually fun for me, believe it or not. And life just gets much more enjoyable as a result of it. As I am less and less haunted by the voices of the past. So in that sense, I'm definitely achieving a higher goal, if you will. And yes, the same is true with my acting. The more I'm able to dig inside of myself and reveal that on the screen ... the more I am achieving that higher goal and certainly with my character ... I'm getting to play a part that resonates so deeply with people. And a character who says so many things that I believe in. I guess that's about as close as I can come right now to achieving that higher goal. I just want to say that this has really been fun! I really had a good time. And I really look forward to getting to know you guys even more through Ben and hope we get to do this again soon.

Moderator1 Thank you for chatting with Robert Gant. We hope you've enjoyed the chat and the ninth episode of season two of QAF. Tune in to SHOWTIME next Sunday, March 17 at 10pm ET/PT for an all-new episode. Keep visiting the all-new queer.SHO.com for more insight into QAF, and come back next Sunday to chat with Sharon Gless who plays "Debbie." The chat room will open at 10pm ET (7pm PT) so that you can chat with other QAF fans during the episode! If you missed tonight's episode, tune in to SHOWTIME on Monday at 10pm ET/PT or Tuesday at 11pm ET/PT to catch the encore play. See you next time! The chat room will be closing in two minutes, but you can head on over to the message boards and share your thoughts about this weeks episode.

Chat with Michelle Clunie, "Melanie"
February 17, 2002
From Showtime's Queer as Folk Site

Moderator1 Welcome everyone! Thanks for signing on for our chat with Michelle Clunie. Michelle plays "Melanie" on QAF. Michelle has several TV credits to her name, including "The Jeff Foxworthy Show" and "ER." Her film debut was in the popular and critically acclaimed "The Usual Suspects." Michelle recently completed the SHOWTIME original movie "Damaged Care," playing Laura Dern's nemesis, Gemma Combs. She also spent last summer's hiatus touring with the critically acclaimed "The Vagina Monologues." She is not only a trained actor, but has also trained for seven years as a ballet dancer with the Academy of Professional Ballet. Welcome back to our QAF chats for a second time, Michelle. Let's get started and talk about the seventh episode of season two!
Michelle_Clunie Hi everybody! Thanks for joining us. I hope you're enjoying the second season. And it's exciting to have the opportunity to answer some questions.

Hyacinthetic How did you go from Dancing to Acting? Do you liek one more than the other? I LOVE you on the show BTW!
Michelle_Clunie Hi! I danced from the time I was 5 years old. And acted as well. And I lean towards acting because I felt I could more fully express myself. And I still dance and enjoy it quite a bit.

NYC-Skye Hi Michelle. Do you miss dancing or do you get a chance to strust your stuff during the show's hiatus?
Michelle_Clunie Hi NYC Skye. I dance all the time, every chance I get. But now I do it for myself. And because I enjoy the movement. I especially love salsa dance. And I find that to be a big release for me.

sillygirl Michelle, now after the time you have spent on QAF, what have you learned from Melanie and what has Melanie learned from you?
Michelle_Clunie Hey Sillygirl! Melanie has brought up many questions in my life that deal with people having the freedom to love who they want to love. And being on this show has made me want to fight for other peoples' freedom to love. And has opened up my eyes as to what other people go through. It has brought deep compassion into my life. Which was always there, but now it's just stronger and more awake in me.

NeocronNV How do you feel your role as Melanie has affected your views and opinions of the gay/lesbian community?
Michelle_Clunie I feel as though playing Melanie has allowed me to express at times feelings that I find ... several of my friends in a similar position in their lives have gone through and/or felt. So in that way, it's an honor for me to play Melanie. And it's very personal to me.

mira306 first off i wanna say you are one of my fave characters, i was just wondering what your personal view is on same sex marriages?
Michelle_Clunie Hi Mira. My point of view is very simple: They should be legal and recognized in the eyes of the government as having the same rights ... as heterosexual marriages. Until we get to that point, I feel as though we are living in the stone age.

moonbutt Michelle, did you ever imagine that QAF would be as popular as it is proving to be?
Michelle_Clunie Hi ya Moonbutt! I never imagined the success of the show going into it. But I hope and I believe that we will find in the years to come that the show ... will have had an impact on the way people think and feel towards others that are different from themselves. And I also see that the letters I receive are in the second season, coming from ... people that were very conservative and hypocritical and are thanking the show for opening their eyes. I received letters just last week from people that some might label "bible thumpers" ... saying that they are now joining groups that support gay and lesbian and admitting that they can't believe ... how closed-minded they used to be. So I think it will continue, and I hope it will continue.

tiggertoo Do you think the show show's a positive or negative look at promiscuity, especially with Gale's character?
Michelle_Clunie I don't think in terms of "right" or "wrong", "bad" or "good." Only in that we create from a place of looking at truth and human nature. I think that you can have a show about cute straight girls having the same promiscuity ... and it's applauded and awarded. Yet when a gay man or a gay male character acts the same way, people place a negative connotation on it. Therefore, I ask, "does the judgment have homophobia in it?" I think it does.

SweetAlice Does it ever bother you that the show seems to promote the usage of recreational drugs?
Michelle_Clunie That's a tough question. I think that falls into political correctness, that question. I think it's very hard to create when you come from a place of focusing on being "PC". If you focus too strongly on that, I don't know how anyone wakes up in the morning and creates ... or goes to their job for that matter. I find very few things in the world completely and totally politically correct. And if we were to analyze everything based on that, there would be very few billboards ... or ads or TV or movies. So that's just a very tough question. I could take an honest look at this and say that at least people are being educated ... about a particular world and maybe certain people will be turned off to it. Or they will understand more what they are getting into.

Maveric_Denver What kind of ideas or feelings do you take from your own life and put into your characters?
Michelle_Clunie I try to take everything I know from my life and from my experiences and place it into my character. I try to look around me and take everything I see and put that in there as well. I think that's what an actor does and that's all they have. Is their own personal experiences and what they observe of life. And at the end of the day, that's my job. Is to take the story line I'm given and infuse it with a sensitivity and love and basic human pathologies as well.

Michael27 michelle, do you feel uncomfortable at times with the persona of your character? or is it fun to get to be that "b*tchy"?
Michelle_Clunie I never knew Melanie was that bitchy. I find it funny when people say that. I try to look at her as someone with a strong point of view. And someone who doesn't whitewash things. And that's all I can say to that, because I never, ever think bitchy when I'm playing the role.

sara932 hey michelle i just wanna say your my favorite character on the show...i wanna know if you are gay and if not do you find it hard to play a gay person on the show?
Michelle_Clunie No, I don't find it hard playing a gay person even though I'm not.

Starrchild Do you feel that media today focuses too much on sex or sexuality?
Michelle_Clunie I think people have always focused on sex, sexuality, love ... not just the media today. People have written poems about sex. Shakespeare had sex in all of his plays. I think sex and love are a huge part of what humans deal with on an everyday basis. I don't agree with the way the media handles sex. But it's just part of our lives as humans. And there's no getting around it. So, maybe it's good to just rip the cover off of it explore it in a very broad way.

Siren Melanie....me and my girlfriend love the show and especially your character. Its nice to see a realistic portrayal of lesbians and the way we really do live!
Michelle_Clunie Thank you. That's what I'm striving for and it makes me very happy if you feel as though I've achieved that in any way.

annaandgretchen Where did you study acting and what words of would you give to someone trying to make it in acting?
Michelle_Clunie I studied with Milton Katselas. My only advice would be to follow your heart and throw your passion and everything you have into it. And make a strong decision that it's really what you want to do. I would say 80% of the time is spent dealing with things that have nothing to do with the actual act ... of creating and acting. But for the 80% that you spend dealing with other things, you are rewarded with the 20% of golden time ... when you are actually to do your craft. "when you are actually able to do your craft."

hairfairy02 do you ever tire of the constant "are you gay?" question?
Michelle_Clunie Thank you for your question. I do tire of it. Only in so much that I'm looking toward the world where that question doesn't matter and doesn't exist. A world where people simply ask "who's your partner"? Not, "who's your girlfriend" or "boyfriend?" A world where we place more emphasis on the quality of love and peace ... and less emphasis on judgment and hate and prejudice. That to me is a dream.

Radical_Edward Why did you decide to work on the show?
Michelle_Clunie I decided to work on the show because I felt it was important. And I love the character. And I love the sсript. And I talked with Dan and Ron and I fell in love with them as producers and creators. And I had turned down other work that was not fulfilling to me anymore. I believe I made a space in my life where this job was able to come in.

Rowann Hi Michelle! We all love your character Melanie! Did you find touring with The Vagina Monologues difficult at all?
Michelle_Clunie Thank you Rowann. I didn't have any difficulty touring with The Vagina Monologues. It's another piece that has brought enlightenment to people. And it was wonderful to be on stage and be able to look out in the audience ... and see people getting in touch with their emotions and feelings right there in front of you. It was a wonderful experience.

jackie hi michelle i'm a big fan of the show and you. will you be doing any films?
Michelle_Clunie Thank you so much Jackie. I have no future plans that are set right now. But I am reading and I'm looking at a few things that may interest me.

JeanniezArt What is your all time favorite movie?
Michelle_Clunie I have so many favorite movies. I love The Last Tango in Paris. I love Chasing Amy. I love Julie and Donkey Boy. I also love L'Ventura. But the one movie that constantly inspires me whenever I get lost is 8-1/2.

Suzanne Michelle, what sparked your first role to lead into show businees?
Michelle_Clunie My first actual paying job was a Crest toothpaste commercial for MTV. And I played a 15-year old. I think I was 21 at the time.

flutter101 How do you think your role as "melanie" has changed your acting possibilities??
Michelle_Clunie I don't know how it's changed my acting possibilities. I don't really think of it like that. I've played several characters in the past and I see her as one of the characters I have created. I'll create more. But she has her own spot in my heart. And when I'm done playing her I will miss her.

digger michelle, how much input do you have on the story topic or viewpoint?
Michelle_Clunie After we read the sсript, we have an opportunity to talk with Dan and Ron, our producers/writers. To fine-tune certain things. And they are kind enough to allow us to do that. I suggest things and sometimes they use my suggestions and sometimes they don't. But they are by far the most open producers I have ever worked for. I enjoy the collaboration. But at the end of the day, I'm an actor for hire and it's my job ... to infuse the story line with the life force of Melanie and to make her real. And to have it make sense. And it's fun! It's a fun process.

chiboy Do you think "Hollywood" is homophobic. Specifically as it relates to the number of actors who auditioned for the show was limited because of the stigma?
Michelle_Clunie It's a sweeping generalization to say that Hollywood is homophobic. But I would say they, like the rest of the country, still are clinging to old ideas from the last millennium. And now as we push forward into the new millennium, I hope that people will start to wake up ... and take an honest look at themselves, individually and at the hypocritical feelings ... that are inside of them. I try constantly to look truthfully at myself. And it's not an easy thing to do.

girl4guinness how did your friends/family react to you telling them that you've accepted a role on queer as folk?
Michelle_Clunie I called up my mom the day that I booked the job. And told her about the show and what it was about. She was thrilled, she was laughing, and she was so happy for me. Because she felt as though it would be an important part of TV. But she's an amazing woman. I call her the Buddha of Portland, OR. Everyone around me acted extremely happy. But I also only surround myself with people who are working on a more enlightened plane.\ That has to do with love and enlightenment and pushing forward. I would say we are very close off-screen. As we get busier with more success, it can be more of a challenge getting us all in the same room. But we recently just got together this weekend and it's a joy to be with this group of people. And I still call them my Toronto family. As we move towards the end of our second season up here, there is still so much love and it makes me very proud of us as a group of people. Some people said to us, "Oh, in the 2nd season, you might not all like each other." I just laugh at those people because I only find that I love my cast members more. But then it's a very special group to me.

jam Melanie, do you find yourself being strongly affected by the seriousness of some of the issues?
Michelle_Clunie I am very affected by the seriousness of some of the issues. I find that it's a fine line that I walk playing Melanie. I've had letters from people that say I'm their role model. And yet, I'm not interested in putting my character on a pedestal. And I find a conflict in myself as far as what degree of responsibility do I have. I take these things into consideration and they affect me a great deal. I think it's a very precarious position to be in. But I think at the end of the day, that the more questions that we raise and the more ... human pathologies that we uncover and shine a light on and explore ... the better we will all be for it.

DonfromChicago Hi Michelle, How long were you an actress before you got this part?
Michelle_Clunie I have been on stage since I was 6, but I started getting paid to act about 10 years ago.

mike22chi have any family or friends came out of the closet to you do to you role and understanding on the show?
Michelle_Clunie None of my family or friends have come out of the closet to me. But a dear friend of mine recently came out of the closet to his parents. And I offered him strength throughout the process. And validated his courage. I find I have a lot of strangers coming up to me, coming out of the closet about their entire sex life. I find there are a lot of people out there that want to talk about sex and love and homosexuality and bisexuality ... and all sorts of topics and they feel safe coming up to me on the streets and talking about it. I find that very interesting. To say the least!

queerfansX8 what advice do you think of a young woman unsure about her sexuality should take from your show?
Michelle_Clunie First I want to say that I hope I don't steer you in the wrong direction ... because ultimately only you can answer that question. And with that preface and having let myself off the hook ... I would say that you should follow your heart. Not be afraid to explore your own sexuality as long as you are safe and you don't put yourself in a position to be harmed. But I do feel that a woman has a right to explore her sexuality just as much as a man. And to not be afraid of that. Sexuality is tied in with your creativity and very often government will try to control a nation's sexuality ... because it is tied in with several other things like creativity and point of view and independence. So live, but be safe.

dawner michelle, you sound so passionate about these issues you have spoke about, you are doing a great job portray melonie.. keep up the good work We are totally in love with her. And you...
Michelle_Clunie That is very sweet and nice to hear. I hope that that passion is contagious. I hope everyone in the world could be passionate about human rights and peace and love. And 1968 lives!

ninfem michelle, do you practice buddhism?
Michelle_Clunie I don't practice, but I've read books on it, and I have taken a few ideas from it. I have a hodgepodge of religion and I pull from all different sorts of religion and art to create my own point of view. I find it fascinating and have several books on it at home.

kim507 Have you read any of Deepak Chopra's works?
Michelle_Clunie Yes, I have read some of his books. The one I have next to my desk is the 7 Spiritual Laws for Success. I find his books very enlightening.

Jovita Michelle I just want to comment on how a wonderful performance you put into your character, I feel the passion, pain, and happiness, it's unlike any other show
Michelle_Clunie Thank you! That's really sweet. I love working on this show and I don't watch much TV, so I don't know what's really out there. But I know I love this show and working on it. I'm glad to hear that you love the show too.

silver Will your character and Lindsay have a little more air time this season?? It seems like last season you two were on about five minutes of every show!!
Michelle_Clunie I think it's apparent that we've had more airtime thus far and will have even more airtime throughout the season. Thank you for caring about our airtime!

r2 Do you think Lyndsi parents will ever come a round at least a little
Michelle_Clunie I don't know what the future holds for Lindsay's parents, but I think you can ... somewhat tell that they're pretty repressed people. They have so many walls up towards Melanie and Lindsay's life style that it will not be a simple process.

swflaboy What are your ambitions as an actor?
Michelle_Clunie Thank you for your question. My ambitions are to seek out and find projects to be a part of that explore and enlighten and educate people ... about human nature and about themselves. That also entertain. To really make people feel and to wake them up. And if I can accomplish this, I'm very happy. Especially if I can accomplish it on a large scale. I think that as an actor, I try to think about Thoreau says: "We must all connect." So I try to find material I connect with on a spiritual level. And I want to work with people I connect with. And if everything is working, hopefully the audience will be able to connect as well. It's all about connection.

Cathy What has been the hardest episode to do so far, for you? And do you have a favorite episode?
Michelle_Clunie The hardest episode is one I haven't shot yet. It will start shooting next week. And I already know it will be my hardest episode to do. As far as my favorite episode, that's very hard to say. I just watched the 3rd episode from the pilot from last season. And I laughed when I was watching the bris scene because I remember what we were all going through while shooting that ... and coming together for the first time. This season, my favorite episode I think will be #11. For reasons that are dear to my heart.

Tracy Michelle, where do you call home?
Michelle_Clunie I now call home Toronto. But when I go back to L.A. this summer, I'll call home L.A. But the older I get, the more I see Oregon as my real home. And I do see myself maybe some day going back there and having a ranch or something funky and natural ... with lots of animals and children.

moreismore If you could have person guest star on the show who would it be?
Michelle_Clunie I would have to say k.d. lang and Margaret Cho. Maybe they could be Siamese Twins or something and turn them into one person!

Jess Do you have any plans for this hiatus?
Michelle_Clunie The only plan I have right now is to get up tomorrow and shoot the next episode. This hiatus, I have no plans, as of yet. But just to get back to L.A., palm trees and some sunshine. It's too far in the future to think about that. Thanks to everyone for writing in. There were some very interesting questions. And I thank you all for your support for the show. Keep watching. And have a wonderful week!

Moderator1 Thank you for chatting with Michelle Clunie. We hope you've enjoyed the chat and the seventh episode of season two of QAF. Keep visiting queer.SHO.com for more insight into QAF, and come back next Sunday, February 24 to chat with other Queer As Folk fans. The chat room will open at 10pm ET (7pm PT) so that you can chat with other QAF fans during the episode and afterward until 11:30pm ET (8:30pm PT)! If you missed tonight's episode, tune in to SHOWTIME on Tuesday at 11pm ET/PT to catch the encore play. See you next time! The chat room will be closing in two minutes, but you can head on over to the message boards and share your thoughts about this weeks episode. The chat room is now closed. Thanks for joining in on tonight's chat. Copyright (c)2002, Showtime Networks, Inc. All rights reserved.

@темы: интервью

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Daniel Lipman says goodbye to "QAF" (июль 2005)

Это интервью найти не сложно, и я его цитировала несколько раз, пока мы пятый обсуждали, но вот пусть тут будет целиком
может кто, кому интересно и не читал, рекомендую, как и предыдущее)

с planetout.com

Daniel Lipman says goodbye to "QAF"

When audiences were first introduced to "Queer as Folk" five years ago, the world seemed a more innocent and tolerant place. Y2K had been much ado about nothing. The date September 11 had no particular significance. And most people were going happily about their lives, reaping the benefits of the dot-com boom. For the gay community, the Clinton years had marked a time of unprecedented gains in tolerance and visibility.

It was in this atmosphere that executive producers Daniel Lipman and Ron Cowen launched their unflinching, unapologetic, insightful and entertaining look at gay life in America, "Queer as Folk."
Five years later, we find the "Queer as Folk" characters living in a much different world, one that Lipman and Cowen could never have imagined when they brought the groundbreaking series to the States.

During these five years, the series has generated both critical acclaim and righteous indignation. Fans have lauded its realistic representation of gay life, which has so often been relegated to the status of comic relief or melodrama. Critics, straight and gay, have bemoaned the show's emphasis on sex and drugs.

The series launched its fifth and final season in the middle of a divisive, escalating cultural war in America. Rather than take the easy way out, Lipman and Cowen felt it necessary to put their characters right in the middle of the battlefield.

Lipman spoke to PlanetOut entertainment editor Jenny Stewart about the end of the hit series.
It sounds like a daunting task, having to decide how to end TV's first-ever dramatic series about gays. What was the process like, and can you give us some idea of how you're ending it?

If you asked me last year what the final season would be like, I would have had a very, very different view of it. Back when we filmed season 4, it seemed like the 21st century was going to be a little more civilized and more tolerant than the last century in terms of gay rights.

But things really changed after the election. There are laws being passed in several states where not only can gay people not marry but they also cannot adopt, they can't be foster parents. On top of that, right now in Michigan there is a bill waiting to pass where doctors can decline to give health care to gay people. So things have really taken a step backwards, and we have to reflect this.

In terms of the characters and personal relationships, we've always said the show is about boys becoming men. People mature differently. Sometimes we have this vision that you must couple up, have children, and that's how you mature. But I don't think that's necessarily true. I think you can mature and still hold on to whatever your sexual mores or attitudes are. This has always been a big bone of contention in the gay community, so we have a situation going on like that this year, between Michael and Brian, that reflects that.

There are gay people everywhere who want to assimilate into the population. You see these neighborhoods all over the place now where gay people move in and they sort of gentrify them. And a lot of them are family-friendly because they are having children together.

Michael and Ben sort of embody that. But then you have Brian, who sort of embodies the other side of that, which is the gay culture you hold on to: "We are not heterosexuals, we do not play by those rules, we do not have to be married."

The show is ending at a time that is particularly bad for gays politically. Were you tempted to do one more season just so die-hard fans would at least have something to look forward to?
Funny you should mention that. Peter Paige said to me a couple of months ago, "Considering what's going on in the world, it's a shame we couldn't go one more season." And I said "No, Peter. That's the way you leave."

To me, it's better to hear fans sigh and say, "Ugh, it's going off the [air], I'm going to miss those characters" than have those same fans sigh and say, "Ugh, the show has been on for 11 years." I suppose we could have continued without the actors, because most were on contract for five years and some would have stayed and some would have gone. But to reconceive it and bring on new characters -- I don't know, it just seemed right to end it.

We [were] always resigned the show would be five seasons, and one of the things I'm proud of is that we've kept it edgy and challenging. I don't think there would ever have been a "QAF" before, and I don't think there will ever be another "QAF." I think we had this one window of time.
Which one character do you feel the most protective of?

I feel the most protective of Brian. I'm very protective of him and his attitude, because I really think that Brian is very much an Ayn Rand-ian character. [It's] very classic, his individualism and her philosophy of individualism, which is basically: You take care of yourself first, and that enables you to take care of other people. Because you're not resentful, you don't sacrifice for other people.
There's a scene in the new season where he announces he's going to buy Babylon, and he says, "I'm queer, and those of you who don't like it, fuck you." That kind of attitude is just astounding. He's probably one of the most original and unusual characters ever to be on television.

I remember the first season people were telling us that we needed to change Brian, that he needed to be domesticated or people would end up hating him. But we didn't. There is a moment in the final season where he is almost domesticated, but he breaks free of that, and his true colors come out. So we definitely played with him a little bit in the final season, but we knew that we wanted to show the layers of him and his humanity.


It seems like straight women, lesbians and even straight men admire Brian a lot more than gay men do. Why do so many gay male viewers hate Brian?

I think because straight women, gay women and straight men don't bring the baggage. I think the reason so many gay men hate Brian is because there's a lot of the "shame factor." A lot of gay men have had this kind of very specific sexual life in their youth, and there's a sort of shame factor that rises within them with Brian.

Robert Gant said that, with all due respect to Hal Sparks, who's straight, he thought it would be great to do sex scenes with another openly gay actor, so there wouldn't be boundaries. Then it occurred to me that all of the sex scenes on the show are between one gay actor and one straight actor. Why is that?

That was just by coincidence. It just turned out that way through casting that some actors would be doing love scenes opposite openly gay or openly straight actors. It's remarkable, actually, that we've got three gay and three straight leads. I think the chemistry is so great between all of them: Bobby and Hal, Gale and Randy and Peter and Scott.

And as far as Robert goes, I have to go along with him. Because he's in the trenches doing this. It's one thing for me to conceive it and write it and have meetings about those scenes. To actually be in them is a completely different thing.

Fans of the show are so nervous about the finale. Fan sites are loaded with predictions on how it will end. Do you think people will be satisfied? Anything shocking?

I think there are a lot of shocking things along the way. In fact, in the last three episodes there are some pretty shocking things. But everything is still in character, so it's ... realistically shocking. I don't think there are any situations where we like, you know, jump the shark! We've never done anything for the sake of shocking.

I think it's a very satisfying ending. It's not a situation where all ends are tied up, it's not happily ever after, necessarily, but I think it does reflect what's happening in the world regarding the gay community, and I think it is very hopeful.

Look, when you do a series finale of a hit show, you know you're never going to please everybody, so you just have to forget it and do what you [think] is right and hope that people will connect to it.


и UPD! Теперь в переводе на русский! за который большая благодарность  Von Dutch!!

Дэниель Липман прощается с "QAF"

Когда пять лет назад аудитория впервые познакомилась с "Queer as Folk", мир представлялся более невинным и толерантным местом.Когда пять лет назад аудитория впервые познакомилась с "Queer as Folk", мир представлялся более невинным и толерантным местом. Проблема 2000 года* оказалась высосанной из пальца. Дата «11 сентября» еще не имела особого значения. И большинство людей счастливо жило своей жизнью, пожиная плоды Интернет-бума. Для гей-сообщества годы правления Клинтона отмечены как время беспрецедентных достижений в толерантности и понимании.

В этой атмосфере исполнительные продюсеры Дэниель Липман и Рон Коуэн представили на суд публики свой непоколебимый, бесцеремонный, проницательный и увлекательный взгляд на гей-жизнь Америки, "Queer as Folk".
Пять лет спустя герои "Queer as Folk" оказываются в совершенно ином мире, который Липман и Коуэн не могли и представить, когда запускали свой разрушающий все каноны сериал в Штатах.

В течение пяти лет сериал порождал и бурное одобрение критиков, и возмущение «праведников». Фанаты восхваляли реалистичное изображение жизни геев, которая раньше зачастую низводилась до комического или мелодраматического статуса. Критики, натуралы и геи, жаловались, что шоу акцентирует внимание на сексе и наркотиках.

Пятый, финальный, сезон создавался в условиях обостряющейся культурной войны в Америке. Вместо того чтобы идти по пути наименьшего сопротивления, Липман и Коуэн почувствовали необходимость оставить своих героев на поле битвы.
Липман обсудил с Дженни Стюарт, автором развлекательной рубрики на PlanetOut, финал популярного сериала.

Решить, как закончится первый телевизионный драматический сериал о геях – это пугающее задание. На что это было похоже, и не могли бы вы намекнуть, чем все закончится?

Если бы в прошлом году вы спросили меня, каким будет финальный сезон, у меня был бы совершенно иной взгляд. Когда мы снимали четвертый сезон, казалось, что 21 век будет более цивилизованным и более толерантным в отношении прав геев, чем предыдущий.

Но после выборов все изменилось. Во многих штатах были приняты законы, запрещающие геям не только заключать браки, но и усыновлять детей, они не могли быть приемными родителями. Помимо этого, прямо сейчас в Мичигане к принятию готовится билль, разрешающий врачам отказывать геям в помощи. Был сделан шаг назад, и мы должны это показать.

Говоря о персонажах и личных отношениях, мы всегда подчеркивали, что шоу о том, как мальчики становятся мужчинами. Люди достигают зрелости разными путями. Иногда возникает представление, что ты должен найти себе пару, завести детей, и в этом и будет проявление твоей зрелости. Но я не думаю, что это обязательно. На мой взгляд, ты можешь взрослеть и в то же время сохранять свои сексуальные привычки и взгляды. Эта тема всегда была яблоком раздора в гей-сообществе, поэтому в этом сезоне мы отразили такую ситуацию, между Майклом и Брайаном.

Повсюду полно геев, которые хотят слиться с населением. Вы можете увидеть кварталы, в которые переезжают геи и они, в некотором роде, облагораживают их. И многие из них ориентированы на семейные ценности, поскольку растят детей вместе.

Майкл и Бен в некоторой степени олицетворяют это. Но также есть Брайан, являющийся воплощением другой стороны, на которой держится гей-культура: «Мы не гетеросексуалы, мы не играем по этим правилам, мы не должны жениться».

Шоу заканчивается в чрезвычайно непростые для геев времена, с политической точки зрения. Не было ли соблазна сделать еще один сезон, просто чтобы убежденным фанатам было на что надеяться?

Забавно что вы упомянули об этом. Питер Пейдж сказал мне пару месяцев назад: «Учитывая то, что происходит в мире, досадно, что мы не можем снять еще один сезон». И я ответил: «Нет, Питер. Стоит остановиться на этом».

Для меня лучше, если фанаты вздохнут и скажут «Эх, сериал закончился. Я буду скучать по этим персонажам», чем те же самые люди со вздохом скажут «Эх, шоу было в эфире 11 лет». Я предполагаю, что мы могли бы продолжить без актеров, потому что у большинства были контракты на пять лет, и некоторые согласились бы остаться, а некоторые – нет. Но что-то переосмысливать и вводить новых персонажей – я не знаю, кажется, правильнее закончить шоу.

Мы всегда подчеркивали, что у шоу будет пять сезонов, и одна из тех вещей, которыми я горжусь, то, что нам удалось сохранить провокационный и сложный характер. Я не думаю, что когда-либо до этого был "QAF", и не думаю, что появится еще один. Я уверен, что эта ниша принадлежит нам.


Какому персонажу вы покровительствуете в большей степени?

Больше всего я покровительствую Брайану. Я готов защищать его и его позицию, потому что я действительно считаю, что Брайан - персонаж в духе Айн Рэнд. ** Это классика, его индивидуализм и ее философия индивидуализма, попросту говоря: «В первую очередь заботься о себе, и это даст тебе возможность заботиться о других. Потому что если ты не обижен, ты не пойдешь на жертвы ради других людей».

В новом сезоне есть сцена, в которой он объявляет, что собирается купить Вавилон, и говорит: «Я голубой, и те из вас, кому это не нравится, могут трахнуть себя». Позиция такого рода просто поразительна. Он, возможно, один из наиболее оригинальных и необычных персонажей, когда-либо появлявшихся на телеэкране.

Я помню, как во время первого сезона нам говорили, что следует изменить Брайана, что его нужно привязать к семейной жизни, иначе люди возненавидят его. Но мы не сделали этого. В последнем сезоне наступает такой момент, когда он практически «одомашнивается», но ему удается вырваться на свободу, и наружу выходит его истинная сущность. Так что в последнем сезоне мы совершенно определенно немного поиграли с ним, но мы знали, что хотим показать все проявления Брайана и его человечности.

Кажется, что женщины-натуралки, лесбиянки и даже мужчины-натуралы восхищаются Брайаном намного больше, чем геи. Почему многие зрители-геи ненавидят Брайана?

Я думаю, потому, что у женщин-натуралок, лесбиянок и мужчин-натуралов нет «багажа» за плечами. На мой взгляд, причина, по которой так много геев ненавидит Брайана, в том, что он – как постыдное напоминание. Многие геи жили примерно такой же характерной сексуальной жизнью в юности, и Брайан пробуждает в них воспоминания о том, чего они стыдятся.

Роберт Гант сказал, что несмотря на все его уважение к Хэлу Спарксу, который является натуралом, ему кажется, было бы здорово играть секс-сцены с другим актером-открытым геем, в таком случае не было бы никаких барьеров. А потом мне пришло на ум, что все секс-сцены в шоу происходят между актером-геем и актером-натуралом. Почему так?

Это вышло случайно. Так получилось в процессе кастинга, что некоторые актеры будут сниматься в любовных сценах с актерами-геями или актерами-натуралами. На самом деле удивительно, что среди актеров первого плана три гея и три натурала. Я думаю, между ними потрясающая химия: Бобби и Хэл, Гейл и Рэнди, Питер и Скотт.

И как бы далеко не заходил Роберт, я должен следовать за ним. Потому что он работает над этим. Одно дело для меня задумывать и писать и проводить обсуждения этих сцен. На самом деле быть в них – совсем другая вещь.

Фанаты шоу переживают по поводу финала. Фан-сайты перегружены предсказаниями того, как все кончится. Как вы думаете, люди будут удовлетворены? Что-нибудь шокирующее?

Я думаю, будет много шокирующих вещей. На самом деле, в последних трех сериях будет несколько достаточно шокирующих вещей. Но все по-прежнему в характерах персонажей, поэтому это… реалистически шокирующее. Я не думаю, что мы пережили пик популярности. Мы никогда не делали ничего с целью просто шокировать.

На мой взгляд, у нас очень убедительный финал. Это не та ситуация, когда все ясно, и конец не обязательно счастливый, но я думаю, он отражает то, что сегодня происходит в мире по отношению к гей-сообществу, и по-моему, финал очень обнадеживающий.

Знаете, когда вы снимаете финальную серию популярного шоу, вы знаете, что не сможете всем угодить, поэтому приходится не обращать внимание на это и делать то, что вы считаете правильным, надеясь, что люди поймут.

* Проблема 2000 года (часто она обозначается как «проблема Y2K» или «Y2K-совместимость» (аббревиатура: Y-year (год), 2, K-kilo (1000 в системе СИ)) — проблема, связанная с тем, что разработчики программного обеспечения, выпущенного в XX веке, иногда использовали два знака для представления года в датах, например, 1 января 1961 года в таких программах представлялось как «01.01.61». Некоторые вычислительные машины имели уже аппаратную обработку даты, однако всего два десятичных знака. При наступлении 1 января 2000 года при двузначном представлении года после 99 наступал 00 год (то есть 99+1=00), что интерпретировалось многими старыми программами как 1900, а это, в свою очередь, могло привести к серьёзным сбоям в работе критических приложений, например, систем управления технологическими процессами и финансовых программ. Проблема 2000-го года была вызвана, в том числе, использованием старых программ, что не предполагалось во время их разработки. Известны многочисленные случаи использования в конце 1990-х годов программ середины 1980-х.
** Айн Рэнд (англ. Ayn Rand транскрипция: ajn ɹænd; урождённая Алиса Зиновьевна Розенбаум; 20 января (2 февраля) 1905, Санкт-Петербург — 6 марта 1982, Нью-Йорк) — американская писательница и философ, создатель философского направления объективизма.

@темы: перевод, CowLip, CowLip 2005, интервью

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A Candid Conversation with "Queer as Folk" Executive Producer Daniel Lipman май 2005

хочу выложить еще пару интервью-статей Коулипов (Дэна Липмана), хотя может имело бы смысл и три-четыре)), но пусть пока эти, может, помимо прочего, какая-то информация в них пригодится едущим на кон, в плане задавания или не задавания каких-то вопросов актерам

оба интервью вышли после окончания съемок, в 2005-ом году и дают представление о... об идеях, сценаристах, о пятом сезоне и тд

первое тут будет, оно, я думаю, сейчас совсем малоизвестное, но достаточно интересное (второе выложу в отдельной теме)

с mediavillage.com

Wednesday, May 11th 2005
Showtime's Gay & Lesbian Drama "Queer as Folk" Takes on the Current Political Climate in its Final Season

A Candid Conversation with "Queer as Folk" Executive Producer Daniel Lipman

The Showtime series "Queer as Folk," an adults-only drama about a group of gayl men and women in Pittsburgh, PA, that has been a signature franchise for the network since 2000, will begin its fifth and final season Sunday May 22 at 10 p.m. ET. Daniel Lipman, who with his production partner and co-executive producer Ron Cowen adapted it from the British miniseries of the same name, recently talked with Jack Myers Entertainment Report about the history of the show, its place in the rise of adult series programming on cable and the importance of reflecting real-life issues in its storylines. Although Lipman is pleased that "Queer as Folk" broke new ground in American television, he is concerned about recent changes in the country's political climate -- changes, he says, that will impact the lives of the characters on the series by the time it draws to a close. An edited transcript of the interview follows.

JMER: Was it your decision or the network's to end the show?

Lipman: It was our decision. From the very beginning we knew we only wanted to go five years. We went six and one-half years on our previous series [the NBC drama] "Sisters" [1991-96]. I always felt we should have stopped one year earlier. There comes a point when you really feel you've told all the stories you can tell and you start repeating yourself. We've all heard stories about networks calling and saying, "You're cancelled." We plotted our show so it would end after five seasons and retain its integrity and its non-political correctness. We didn't want people to get immune to it, to pat it on the head like a warm fuzzy puppy.

JMER: The graphic sexual content of the show was considered highly controversial at the time of its premiere.

Lipman: This particular show came out of the box like a burning hot comet. Nothing like it had ever been done before. We want it to go out that way, too. We have been constantly challenging the audience and keeping viewers on the edge. That's not easy to do. People have gotten used to what was shocking at the beginning five years ago.


JMER: Did anyone in the cast ever balk at something you asked them to say or do?

Lipman: Sometimes. Look, our actors were required to do things that actors have never been required to do, especially Gale Harold. [Harold plays the sexually insatiable advertising executive Brian Kinney.] Any actor will do almost anything once, maybe twice. But for almost five years to have that kind of sexual activity in a role -- I still marvel at how he is able to invest himself in it. His character is a very sexual being. That's part of who he is. I know there were times when Gale probably didn't feel like doing certain things, but he was so brilliant. I don't know how we could have done the show with anyone else.

JMER: How will you bring it to a close?

Lipman: If you had asked me last year after our season finale what the end of the series would be, my answer would have been a lot different than what it became. We've always felt this mandate to reflect what's happening in the gay community, and last year at this time [gay people were getting married in Massachusetts and San Francisco]. On the show [last season], the characters Michael and Ben got married. It seemed like a real step forward for gay rights. Then the election of 2004 occurred and we're living in this so-called conservative time in our country and there are bills that are being passed I think in eight or nine states now that forbid gay marriage and also gay adoption and the sharing of health benefits. It's a very precarious time for gay people, not like it was when we first premiered.

I never thought that someone like Mr. Bush would go on television in the rose garden and start talking about God and making marriage something religious when it certainly didn't begin that way, and try to amend the Constitution, which is supposed to protect citizens of this country, not deny citizens of this country rights. So we had to reflect this in the show. It does get political toward the end. We do leave our characters in a kind of precarious state. We felt we had to reflect what was going on so when people watch this 25, 20 or 10 years from now they'll say, "That's what was happening in the gay community." It's a little frightening at this point. Except for "The L Word" [the Showtime drama about lesbians] I don't think there are any other shows that ever will reflect this. I can't even imagine "Queer as Folk" being done today. If somebody brought it up they would say, "No, we donâ?™t want to do that." Even at a pay cable network.

JMER: Why is that?

Lipman: Given the climate and the current situation with the FCC, I don't know if [we would be allowed] to do the things that we have been able to do -- unbridled, unapologetic and uncensored. I don't know if that time is ever going to come again, especially when it comes to gay sexual expression and gay sexual identity. I don't know if the networks would ever do that, but you never know. They're never going to come out and say it. It is always going to be couched, so you're never really sure. This whole thing with the FCC… once the broadcast networks begin to play ball with them then they'll go after cable.

JMER: Is that the sense in the creative community, that the FCC will eventually target basic and pay cable?


Lipman: I'm only one individual. It's hard to answer for everyone. But my instinct is that people do feel that way. It's a very insidious thing. Once someone gives in to them for whatever reason, then they'll go deeper and deeper. I think the idea is to [go after] cable and, ultimately, pay cable.

JMER: The timing of this show was very fortuitous. You were part of a renaissance in pay cable series programming for adults that hadn't really taken off until "The Sopranos" debuted on HBO in 1999.

Lipman: We're very, very lucky. "The Sopranos" placed the bar to challenge the other networks. I remember after we did "Sisters" there was a whole spate of teen dramas. Pay cable became the place where people who had experience but weren't writing about teens would go to try to do something adult. It hadn't been considered the favored place to go to do a series, but it really exploded.

JMER: There was a good deal of controversy surrounding the premiere of your NBC series "Sisters" in 1991. Something about orgasms…

Lipman: In many ways "Sisters" was the precursor to "Desperate Housewives." It was about four women. They had kinky lives. In the first scene of the first show they were in a sauna talking about orgasms. It was so tame! At a Television Critics Association press conference before the show premiered [one critic] shot up her arm and said, "I watched the sauna scene. I couldn't believe it! They talked about orgasms!" For the entire 50 minute [press conference] that was all we talked about. NBC cut the scene. The show aired on Saturday. We got a call on Thursday saying they were cutting it. On Friday [series star] Swoosie Kurtz went on the "Tonight Show" and they showed the scene. The next night the show went to black for a few seconds [where the scene had been]. It didn't make any sense. It was all because of the controversy at the TCA. We're no strangers to controversy.

@темы: CowLip, CowLip 2005, интервью

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Queer Execs to Critics: Folk Off!

хотела кое-что другое выложить, но вспомнилось про одну статью (вроде ее тут у нас не было), интервью с Коулипами by Michael Ausiello, на мой взгляд довольно любопытное, резкое (лично на мой взгляд излишне агрессивное я бы сказала местами и... некоторых их взглядов и позиций определенно не понимаю и не разделяю, с другими напротив согласна, не только здесь, но и в принципе, ну неважно)
это можно считать из раннего, начало января 2002

наверное было б хорошо, если б кто-нибудь вдохновился перевести, не смягчая лексику))

Queer Execs to Critics: Folk Off!
TV Guide Online
by Michael Ausiello
2002-01-04

When Showtime's Queer as Folk launches its second season Sunday night (10 pm/ET), fans of the same-sex soap opera can rest assured that the randy regulars will continue to go above and beyond... and below the belt. In fact, executive producers Ron Cowen and Daniel Lipman hint at carnal delights so scandalous, they may make Melrose Place look like Walton's Mountain. QAF will be as "outrageous and controversial and politically incorrect" as ever, they promise. Adds Lipman: "We felt very strongly that when a show is successful and people really like it, [it shouldn't be screwed around with]." Ah, but while the series inarguably is a ratings smash — it's the cable network's most popular program — not every critic is convinced that it doesn't engage in its own form of backhanded gay-bashing. How do the partners respond to such a suggestion? Rowr!



TVGO: Some critics feel Queer as Folk can't decide what it wants to be: a trashy soap opera or a serious drama. Your thoughts?
Cowen: I think that's total and utter bull----. As a matter of fact, I think that's f---ing bull----. I think this show is an exceptional, extraordinary drama. It is not trashy soap opera. It is not a serial. And I defy anyone to look at Queer as Folk and call it a soap opera. Can you sense the anger in my voice? I think a lot of people who say that absolutely have not watched the show. And you know something? They said the same thing about our last show, Sisters. And the people who said that — including journalists and critics — never even bothered to watch the show. They said, "Oh, it's about four women in the suburbs. It must be a soap opera." Well, let me tell you something: There wouldn't be an Ally McBeal, there wouldn't be a Judging Amy, there wouldn't be a lot of shows if it wasn't for Sisters. It's as groundbreaking as Queer as Folk is. So I really take offense that people would think this is a trashy soap opera. Why? Because people have sex? Is that why? There happens to be tremendous humor, wit, very emotional scenes, wonderful performances, incredible production value...
Lipman: I would happen to agree with Ron. I would say a big fat f--- you to whoever said that. They can go watch some politically correct, straight soap opera.

TVGO: Queer as Folk takes a lot of heat for its characters' promiscuity, yet the ladies on Sex and the City are just as promiscuous and no one bats an eye.
Lipman: Well of course, because they're straight. They're women.
Cowen: They're allowed to f---. Straight people — even gay people — are very upset seeing gay characters f---ing their brains out. So, again, we would say f--- you to anybody who has a problem seeing gay people f---ing. I say the more the better.
Lipman: Gay people are allowed to entertain us, allowed to be queeny clowns, they're allowed to be eunuchs and not have relationships, or pine away for a romance that they're not allowed to have. But the minute they have sex... and I think that's what makes Queer as Folk extraordinary: We have a very central character — Brian (Gale Harold) — who is a very sexual and masculine character. And I think people — including gay people — are very threatened by this. It's very curious.

TVGO: Speaking of criticism, I spoke to Alan Ball (the openly gay creator of HBO's Six Feet Under) last year, and he made it quite clear that he wasn't a big fan of Queer as Folk. He rolled his eyes and said something like, "This isn't the kind of show I want to see."
Lipman: Isn't that amazing? I said exactly the same thing when I saw the first episode of Six Feet Under. I rolled my eyes, turned around and said, "Boy, is this not the kind of show I want to see."
Cowen: If you want to see a show about a bunch of politically correct closet queens, go watch "Two Feet Under."

TVGO: So, you're not a fan of Six Feet Under?
Lipman: Of course not.
Cowen: We hate politically correct and we hate pretentious and we find that a highly offensive show to our tastes.
Lipman: A closeted gay son is supposed to illustrate gay people, and that's acceptable?
Cowen: Well, I'd say if you like your [gay characters] in the closet, watch that show.
Lipman: Right. If you all like your [gay characters] in the closet, watch Six Feet Under.
Cowen: If you want to see f---ing, watch our show.

TVGO: You're well beyond the British series in terms of episodes, so you're in unchartered territory now, aren't you?
Lipman: We were basically in unchartered territory from the second episode of the entire series because once again, there were a lot of people who had never seen the show who said, "They used everything from the British [version]." We barely used anything from the British. The three main characters — Michael (Hal Sparks), Justin (Randy Harrison) and Brian — are very much based on the characters from the British series, [but] the other characters [are original]... We use a few odd elements here and there from the British show, but this was never the sort of situation where we used everything and then we went off on our own. It was pretty much our show from the beginning.

TVGO: How will you keep the show's lesbian couple, Melanie (Michelle Clunie) and Lindsey (Thea Gill), viable? Ever since they resolved the infidelity crisis last season, they seemed to drift into the background.
Lipman: We shall see. That is part of the challenge. A lot of criticism [we get] is that it's all those guys that are in their early 30s who are just going dancing, taking drugs and [having sex]. Well, seeing a movie [like] Swingers, about straight guys the same age only interested in [having sex], I didn't hear a lot of criticism about that. Once again, it's only because they're gay. We have various ages on our show. Like even last season, we had [Michael's ex] Dr. David (Chris Potter), who was 40, we have Vic (Jack Wetherall) who is in his late 40s or 50s, we have Justin who's 17. We go through a lot of different characters, and part of this, in answer to your question, is people couple. And how do they survive in that? Some do, some don't. And that's part of the whole terrain of the show.

TVGO: Is Dr. Dave gone for good?
Lipman: Yes, Dr. David is gone. He's moved on.

TVGO: So, who's going to fill that healthy, centered, fortysomething male void?
Lipman: We have someone coming up that will be very interesting to our audiences, not as a replacement to Dr. David at all, a very different kind of character.

TVGO: After nearly losing Justin last season, will we see Brian start to grow up this season?
Lipman: At the very beginning of the show, Ron and I — with all due respect to our lesbian characters — always felt that this show was about boys becoming men. So I think that with each progressive season, it is all about maturation and growth, and I think you will see growth in Brian — emotionally. But Brian is still Brian.

TVGO: Last year, the characters explored S&M, scarfing, threesomes, you name it...
Lipman: And that was just the pilot!

TVGO: ... exactly. (Laughter) Are there any sexual taboos you won't touch?
Cowen: There's nothing we won't address.
Lipman: Straight sex?
Cowen: There are plenty of new taboos that we are going to take on and a lot of targets to go after. One of my personal favorites is gay hypocrisy, so we'll slam a few of those motherf---ers.

TVGO: Any story decisions you made last season that you regret?
Lipman: No. Anything you regret?

TVGO: Yes, actually. I was not a fan of the multiple episode arc where Emmett (Peter Paige) tried to go straight.
Lipman: Why?

TVGO: I thought it was really out of character.
Lipman: It's funny, because for us, Emmet comes from a fairly religious background from Mississippi. But [the plot] was much less about becoming straight and much more about faith and making a pact to God. Don't you think, Ron?
Cowen: Funny you should mention that because we just had a conversation with Peter about that yesterday and how delighted we all were with that storyline because, to us, it wasn't at all about Emmett trying to go straight. Emmett, in an absolute cold terror when he thought he was testing positive [for HIV], prayed to God and said, "Oh please God just let me be negative. I promise I'll never sleep with another man again." In a moment of panic, he made a promise to God and then he didn't know how to break a promise to God... We saw it as a storyline about how a gay person relates to God since most religions tell you you're going to hell. I think perhaps a certain [portion] of our viewers didn't understand what the real story was about.

TVGO: Another criticism I have is that it seems a major character inconsistency to have Michael still closeted at work considering what a progressive upbringing he had. In fact, in an interview with TV Guide Online, Hal Sparks (Michael's portrayer) said there was an episode where he was supposed to come out at work, but he refused to play it.
Lipman: Right... Well, we had a discussion, he didn't refuse.
Cowen: We decided that given the landscape of gay people on our show and given the fact that it is in a city that isn't Los Angeles and Michael is not in the entertainment business or a journalist, that it's very difficult for him to come out working in Pittsburgh in a Q-Mart. And we thought that that was an important aspect of gay life to show on Queer as Folk. But again I didn't feel it was in any way inconsistent with his character. I think, in fact, it's very consistent. And I do have to mention that I'm finding this interview with you extremely unpleasant because I have to say that every one of your questions to us so far has been to ask us to defend the show in light of criticism that you have heard or you yourself feel.

TVGO: Well, let's talk about the show's ratings — that's something positive. It's Showtime's top-rated show. In light of all the criticism, that has to be gratifying.
Lipman: It is. It's very much become their signature show, and it's branded them — which I don't think they've had with a series before. They've had some very good series and some very noble efforts, but I think this is the first show that they've been able to get a network brand off of.

TVGO: Were you surprised?
Lipman: Yes. I think that when we began doing this show, the intention was that it was not just done for a gay audience, certainly an audience that was tuned into the world. And I think that we thought we would get a niche audience and I think we were all very, very surprised at the vastness of the audience and also overcoming sexual boundaries. We have a tremendous straight audience, as well as a gay audience... and if it were only about sex, people would watch for three weeks and never come back. And I think that they're very compelled and invested in the characters and the stories.

TVGO: Does Showtime give you a lot of free rein?
Cowen: I think what you see on TV is the answer to that question, obviously.

TVGO: So, that's not reined-in at all?
Cowen: (Sarcastic) Yeah, that r--ming scene was exactly the way it was written. That leather f--ting scene was exactly the way it was written.
Lipman: We've had experience with the commercial networks, and the experience was very extreme in the other direction. [Showtime] gives us free rein, and I think part of it is because the show is doing well.
Cowen: Showtime is fantastic. They're brave, they're honest, they're supportive, and they're not hypocrites.

UPD Добавлен перевод! За него большая благодарность  Von Dutch!

Когда в воскресенье Шоутайм запустил второй сезон Queer as Folk (22:00 по американскому времени), фанаты однополой мыльной оперы уверились, что разгул будет продолжаться и дальше… и ниже пояса. На самом деле, исполнительные продюсеры Рон Коуэн и Дэн Липман показали плотские удовольствия так вызывающе, что «Melrose Place» превратился в «Walton's Mountain»*. Они пообещали, что QAF будет таким же «эпатажным, противоречивым и политически некорректным», как и всегда. Липман добавил: «Мы уверены, что, если шоу успешно и действительно нравится людям, [не стоит зря тратить время]». Ах, но пока сериал бесспорно бьет рейтинги – это самая популярная программа на кабельном телевидении – некоторые критики не уверены, что он не занимается скрытой гомофобией. Что партнеры ответят на это предположение? Вперед!

TVGO: Некоторые критики считают, что Queer as Folk не может определиться с тем, каким хочет казаться: низкопробной мыльной оперой или серьезной драмой. Ваши мысли?
Коуэн: Я думаю, что это полнейшая и абсолютнейшая хуйня. Честно говоря, я думаю, что это гребаная хуйня. Это шоу – исключительная экстраординарная драма. И ни в коем случае не низкопробная мыльная опера. Это не сериал. И я готов бросить вызов каждому - посмотрите Queer as Folk и попробуйте назвать его мыльной оперой. Вы чувствуете злость в моем голосе? Я думаю, многие из тех, кто говорит так, никогда не видели шоу. И знаете что? Они говорили то же самое о нашем прошлом сериале, «Сестры». И люди, которые говорили это, - включая журналистов и критиков – даже не удосужились посмотреть шоу. Они говорили: «о, это о четырех женщинах из пригорода. Должно быть, мыльная опера». Что ж, позвольте мне сказать вам кое-что: не было бы «Элли Макбил», не было бы «Справедливой Эми»**, не было бы многих шоу, если бы не «Сестры». Они открывают новые горизонты, так же как и Queer as Folk. Поэтому для меня оскорбительно, когда люди думают, что это низкопробная мыльная опера. Почему? Потому что люди занимаются сексом? Поэтому? Но ему присущи и чудесный юмор, остроумие, очень эмоциональные сцены, прекрасная игра, невероятная постановочная ценность…
Липман: Я соглашусь с Роном. Я скажу большое громкое «Иди на хуй» любому, кто говорит подобное. Они могут пойти и посмотреть какую-нибудь политически корректную гетеросексуальную мыльную оперу.

TVGO: Queer as Folk часто подвергается нападкам из-за неразборчивых половых связей героев, хотя дамы в «Сексе в большом городе» так же неразборчивы, и никому нет до этого дела.
Липман: Конечно, потому что они натуралы. Они женщины
Коуэн: Им позволено трахаться. Гетеросексуалов – и даже геев – беспокоит, когда персонажи-геи трахаются до умопомрачения. Что ж, мы еще раз скажем «Иди нахуй» всем, у кого с этим какие-то проблемы. Я говорю, что чем больше, тем лучше.
Липман: Геям позволено развлекать нас, быть голубыми клоунами, им позволено быть евнухами и не иметь отношений, или сходить с ума из-за романа, который они не имеют права заводить. Но в минуту, когда они занимаются сексом… и я думаю, именно это делает Queer as Folk экстраординарным: у нас есть определенный персонаж – Брайан (Гейл Харольд) – и это очень сексуальный и мужественный герой. И я думаю, что люди – включая геев – напуганы этим. Это любопытно.

TVGO: К слову о критике – я разговаривал с Аланом Боллом (открытый гей и создатель сериала «Клиент всегда мертв» на канале НВО) в прошлом году, и он ясно дал понять, что не является большим поклонником Queer as Folk. Он закатил глаза и сказал что-то вроде «Это не то шоу, которое я хочу увидеть».
Липман: Разве это не чудесно? Я сказал то же самое, когда увидел первую серию «Клиент всегда мертв». Я закатил глаза, развернулся и сказал «Парень, это не то шоу, которое я хочу увидеть».
Коуэн: Если вы хотите сериал о группке политически корректных скрытых геев, смотрите «Клиент всегда мертв».

TVGO: Итак, вас нельзя назвать поклонниками «Клиент всегда мертв»?
Липман: Конечно нет.
Коуэн: Мы ненавидим политкорректность, мы ненавидим пафос, и на наш вкус это шоу отвратительно.
Липман: Сын, скрытый гей, должен служить примером для геев, и это приемлемо?
Коуэн: Я скажу, если вам нравятся [персонажи - скрытые геи], смотрите это шоу.
Липман: Верно. Если вам всем нравятся [персонажи - скрытые геи], смотрите «Клиент всегда мертв».
Коуэн: Если вы хотите увидеть трах, смотрите наше шоу.

TVGO: В течение нескольких серий вы вышли за пределы Британской версии, так что теперь вы на неисследованной территории.
Липман: По сути мы оказались на неисследованной территории начиная со второй серии, потому что, опять-таки, было много людей, которые никогда не видели шоу и при этом утверждали: «Они взяли все из Британской [версии]». Хотя мы практически ничего не взяли от британцев. Три главных героя – Майкл (Хэл Спаркс), Джастин (Рэнди Харрисон) и Брайан – во многом основаны на персонажах Британского сериала, [но] остальные [оригинальны]… Мы время от времени использовали некоторые необычные элементы из Британского шоу, но никогда не было такого, чтобы мы использовали все, а потом пошли по своему пути. С самого начала это было наше шоу.

TVGO: Как вы собираетесь сохранять на плаву лесбийскую пару, Мэлани (Мишель Клуни) и Линдси (Теа Гилл)? Справившись с супружеской неверностью в прошлом сезоне, они, кажется, отошли на второй план.
Липман: Посмотрим. В этом и есть вызов. Большая часть критики, [которую мы получаем], основана на том, что все эти тридцатилетние парни только и делают, что танцуют, принимают наркотики и [занимаются сексом]. Но, посмотрите фильм «Свингеры», в котором натуралы того же возраста не интересуются ничем, кроме секса, и я не слышал никакой критики по этому поводу. И все потому, что наши герои – геи. В нашем шоу представлены разные возрасты. Взять, к примеру, прошлый сезон – там был сорокалетний [бывший Майкла] доктор Дэвид (Крис Поттер), Вик (Джек Уэзеролл), которому в районе 50, семнадцатилетний Джастин. Мы работали над многими персонажами и часть из них, возвращаясь к вашему вопросы, состоит в парах. И как они удерживаются на плаву? Некоторым это удается, а некоторым – нет. И это важная часть всего шоу.

TVGO: Доктор Дэйв ушел насовсем?
Липман: Да. Доктор Дэвид ушел. Его больше не будет.

TVGO: И кто теперь займет место разумного мужского героя в возрасте «слегка за сорок»?
Липман: У нас есть кое-кто на примете, и он будет интересен нашей аудитории, и совсем не как замена доктора Дэвида, это герой совсем другого рода.

TVGO: После того как в прошлом сезоне Брайан чуть не потерял Джастина, станем ли мы свидетелями его «взросления»?
Липман: С самого начала шоу мы с Роном – несмотря на все уважение к нашим лесбийским героиням – чувствовали, что это сериал о том, как мальчики становятся мужчинами. Поэтому, я думаю, с каждым последующим сезоном мы будем двигаться к взрослению и зрелости, и вы увидите взросление Брайана – эмоциональное. Но Брайан все еще Брайан.

TVGO: В прошлом году герои исследовали БДСМ, гипоксифилию***, секс втроем…
Липман: И это был только пилот!

TVGO: Совершенно верно. (Смеется). Есть ли какие-нибудь сексуальные табу, которые вы не будете затрагивать?
Коуэн: Нет ничего, за что бы мы не стали браться.
Липман: Секс между натуралами?
Коуэн: Существует масса новых табу, с которыми мы собираемся сразиться, и куча вещей, над которым можно поиздеваться. Одна из моих любимых – гейское лицемерие, и мы ударим по этим ублюдкам.

TVGO: Есть ли какие-то моменты из прошлого сезона, о которых вы сожалеете?
Липман: Нет. А вы сожалеете?

TVGO: Вообще-то да. Я не в восторге от тех серий, в которых Эмметт (Питер Пейдж) пытается стать натуралом.
Липман: Почему?

TVGO: Мне кажется, это не в его характере.
Липман: Забавно, потому что для нас Эмметт – выходец из достаточно религиозной среды Миссиссиппи. Но [сюжет] в меньшей степени о превращении в натурала и в большей – о вере и соглашении с Богом. Тебе так не кажется, Рон?
Коуэн: Забавно, что вы упомянули это, потому что буквально вчера мы разговаривали об этом с Питером, и были так восхищены этой сюжетной линией, потому что для нас дело совсем не в том, что Эмметт пытался стать натуралом. Эмметт в полнейшем ужасе, когда думает, что ВИЧ-положителен, он молится и говорит: «Пожалуйста, Господи, пусть у меня будет негативная реакция. Я обещаю, что никогда больше не буду спать с мужчинами». В приступе паники он дал Богу обещание и теперь не знает, как его нарушить… Для нас это история о том, как гей обращается к Богу, хотя большинство религий утверждают, что ты отправишься в ад. Возможно, определенная часть наших зрителей не поняла, о чем на самом деле была эта история.

TVGO: У меня есть еще одно критическое замечание. Мне кажется, что главное противоречие в том, что Майкл все еще скрывает свою ориентацию на работе, учитывая какое прогрессивное воспитание он получил. Что интересно, в интервью TV Guide Online Хэл Спаркс (актер, играющий Майкла) сказал, что была серия, в которой он должен был открыться на работе, но он отказался это играть.
Липман: Верно… У нас была дискуссия, и он не отказался.
Коуэн: Мы решили, учитывая набор гей-персонажей нашего шоу и тот факт, что все происходит далеко не в Лос-Анжелесе и Майкл работает не в развлекательном бизнесе или журналистике, что очень сложно открыться, работая в Питтсбургском Q-маркете. Мы подумали, что очень важно показать в Queer as Folk и этот аспект жизни геев. И мне опять не кажется, что это в чем-то не соответствует герою. На самом деле, я думаю, что это чрезвычайно последовательно. И я должен упомянуть, что считаю интервью с вами необычайно неприятным, потому что каждым своим вопросом вы заставляете нас защищать шоу от критики, которую вы где-то слышали или чувствуете сами.

TVGO: Хорошо, давайте поговорим о рейтингах шоу – добавим немного позитива. Это самый популярный сериал Шоутайм. И, учитывая всю критику, это должно радовать.
Липман: И это радует. Этот сериал стал их брэндовым шоу – я не думаю, что такое происходило со всеми предыдущими. У них было несколько очень хороших сериалов и впечатляющие результаты, но это первое шоу, которому удалось стать брэндом канала.

TVGO: Вы были удивлены?
Липман: Да. Когда мы начинали шоу, замысел был в том, чтобы сделать его не только для гей-аудитории, определенно аудитории, настроенной на мир. Мы предполагали, что будет ограниченная аудитория, и были очень-очень удивлены разнообразию зрителей и разрушению сексуальных барьеров. У нас впечатляющая гетеросексуальная аудитория, собственно, как и гомосексуальная… и если бы все дело было только в сексе, люди выдержали бы три недели и больше никогда не стали это смотреть. Я думаю, они очень преданы героям и истории.

TVGO: Шоутайм дало вам свободу действий?
Коуэн: Очевидно, то, что вы видите на экране, и есть ответ на ваш вопрос.

TVGO: То есть, вообще не было никакого контроля?
Коуэн: (Саркастично). Да, та сцена с риммингом получилась в точности такой, какой была написана. И сцена с leather f—ting****именно так и написана.
Липман: Мы уже работали с кабельными телеканалами, и по некоторым причинам этот опыт был экстремальным. [Шоутайм] дает нам свободу действий, и мне кажется, дело в том, что шоу успешно.
Коуэн: Шоутайм великолено. Они смелые, они честные, они поддерживают нас и не лицемерят.

*Американские сериалы. Как пишет Википедия, «создателям «Мелроуз Плейс» удавалось привлечь телевизионную аудиторию, удачно сочетая мелодраму и секс с чёрным юмором, насилием, шокирующими и абсурдными сюжетными ходами». Walton's Mountain, выходивший на экраны, с 1972 по 1981 гг., ничем шокирующим похвастаться не мог))))
**Опять-таки американские сериалы, повествующие о судьбах женщин.
*** Гипоксифилия - практика ограничения доступа кислорода в организм с целью усиления сексуальных ощущений.
**** К сожалению, нам так и не удалось точно выяснить, что значит это выражение

@темы: перевод, Коулип, Cowlip, интервью

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ну Питер с Рэнди опять, гифка))

из фоток из Virgin Mega Store, январь 2002

смотреть гифку

попался)




ну и сами фотки, их все знают, к тому же кадрированные, и чистила я их от копирайтов халтурно, чисто для гифки, но мож кому пригодятся

@темы: гифы, Randy and Peter Paige

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по чуть-чуть о кастинге, сценариях и автографах)

так как-то сложилось вместе в одну тему)

когда-то попались мне ссылки в фандоме на два объявления, о поиске актеров для QAF, Дрю и Сэма Ауэрбаха
фандом они интересовали в плане спойлеров, и само по себе появление новых персонажей и плюс, что к этим объявлениям прилагались страницы из сценария, хоть и немного, но чето оттуда можно было почерпнуть и не только про этих персонажей)

www.showfax.com/role_selection.cfm?l=1&t=1&p=71... - Дрю Бойд
www.showfax.com/role_selection.cfm?l=1&t=1&p=71... - Сэм Ауэрбах

вот например, если интересно, какие страницы прилагались к роли Сэма (то что шло к роли Дрю походу в фандоме не сохранилось)


















а об автографах на сценарии забавную историю рассказала Danny, как в Далласе, на автограф-сессии ДВД 3-го сезона (это февраль 2004), на которой были Рэнди, Питер и Скотт, она дала Рэнди подписать несколько страничек из сценария)
Совсем вкратце, глаза у него сделались размером с блюдца, он спросил "ОМГ, откуда у тебя это?"
она ответила - Рэнди, ты же знаешь, я не могу тебе сказать.
Он снова сказал ОМГ, спросил у Скотта, не будет ли у него каких-нибудь неприятностей, если он подпишет, к разговору подключился Питер, тоже удивился, поинтересовался у Рэнди, откуда у нее сценарий, Рэнди пожаловался ответил, что она ему не говорит) Питер счел, что Рэнди может не париться и подписать, не велико дело, и тот в конце концов подписал)
девочка пообещала Рэнди, что это только для нее, и она не будет это продавать

просто забавный случай, но к тому же имхо и любопытный, судя по удивлению питера и буквально потрясению рэнди, до этого момента сценариев на подпись им фанаты не давали еще, хотя конечно уверенности в этом у меня нет, просто впечатление от их реакции))

вот собственно отрывок из ее отчета, та его часть, что непосредственно касается беседы с Рэнди, на английском, естественно) очень стоит почитать)

Randy had kind of been half listening and watching me and Peter with my card. I
grab the second one and handed it to him. I told him the same thing about why I
made it and about the quote inside and told him where it came from and all that.

He said, "Wow, that is so thoughtful, I really appreciate that, is it okay if I
open it later when it's not so..." and his voice trailed off and he gestured
with his hand around in a circle.

I said "oh yes absolutely".

And he kind of leaned up in his chair and stuck it in his back pocket. He said,
"thank you again".

He reached for my DVD and then said, "Oh," (like he just remembered) and stuck
out his hand.

I kind of chuckled and took his hand and said, "Hi Randy," and told him my name.

He signed the S3 DVD set. Then I remembered the S2 set in my hand and put it
down on the table and asked if he could sign that one too.

Peter heard that and looked over and said "Uh." Like in a 'pouty, no fair' way.
(distraction number 2, also courtesy of Peter)

I said to him "oh no, you signed it last year."

He said "oh, okay, just checking."

Randy laughed.

So I blame Peter for the rest of this going downhill, he distracted me twice and
I was doing so well keeping it together in front of Randy. I forgot what I was
doing, thanked Randy again and moved on to Scott.

This is where I get upset at myself... I'm totally off kilter now and not
thinking clearly....

Scott stood up and took my hand. He said "hi."

I said "hi Scott" and I proceeded to tell him about the card.

He opened it and read it and said "oh wow, this is great."

I said, "yeah, that's what I thought when he emailed that to me during our
conversation."

He put the card on the table and stood it up against his water bottle.

I told him my name and he started to sign my DVD set... then I remembered... the
sсriрt. I panic... forget all about Scott and move back to Randy.

I said (interrupting him with the person behind me in line, which, luckily for
me happened to be someone I knewЕ LOL) "Randy, Randy, I almost forgot the most
important thing."

He said, "what's that?"

I laid the sсript down in front of him and leaned over the table just a little
bit so I could talk quieter. (I didn't crowd his space, though, for some reason
I was very conscious of not doing that, I don't know why) I told him, "this is
a great scene and I would love if you would sign it for me."

His eyes got big as saucers and he looked down at it. He thumbed through the
pages, (there were 5), and said, "oh my god, how did you get this?"

I smiled, and said "Randy, you know I can't tell you that."

He said "oh my god" again.

So I added, "it's a secret, it won't leave my hands, I promise. Will you sign
it please? It's not the whole sсript, I only brought the one scene." (I was
babbling...)

He turned to Scott who was watching the whole thing since I had practically left
him in the dust. (I feel so bad about that now - I did the same damn thing last
year... errrgggg!!)

Randy asked Scott, "could I get in trouble for signing this?"

Scott said, "what am I, a lawyer?" He laughed, I laughed. He looked at me and
shrugged his shoulders and shook his head (like Ted!!).

Randy looked up at me and picked up his pen, "you can't tell me how you got it?"

I shook my head, of course I'm still smiling. I think I raised my eyebrows.

Randy said "I don't know if I should sign it."

Peter wondered what was going on because the line wasn't moving so he said "sign
what?"

Randy said, "she's got a sсript."

Peter said "What? How'd she get it?" He looked at me then to Randy.

I shrugged again with a grin.

Randy said "I don't know, she won't tell me."

Peter smiled at me and said "eh, sign it, no big deal".

Randy was certainly perplexed and in shock and looked up at me again, so I
finally say "it's just for me Randy, I won't sell it, it won't leave my hands, I
promise." As if he knows me well enough to trust meЕ LOL

He signs it and hands it back to me. I take it and thank him like 5 times.

He said "your very welcome."

I walk off and get all the way out of there and start stuffing all my stuff back
in my bag and realized that I left my S2 DVD set with Randy, I never picked it
back up after he signed it...so even though I had moved on to Scott, I had still
left it laying there. See? Peter's fault... I was totally distracted about
having to explain to him that he signed it last year and commenting on the guy
getting married. Those comments weren't part of my learned dialogue that I had
played in my mind for the day...LOL....

So I head back to the table telling security that I left my DVDs up there, they
let me go. When I approach the table, Randy is already on his feet, holding it
up and yelling out, "where'd she go?"

Then he sees me and says, "you forgot these."

I said "yeah, I know. The sсript thing kind of got me frazzled."

He said, "yeah, me too" and smiled.

So I said "Thanks again, Randy. Bye".


и еще про Danny и сценарии, я как-то писала о различиях в сценарии 203 и вышедшим эпизодом, но тогда вроде не выложила "оригинал", а это ее пересказ (в начале декабря 2003 у нее оказался сценарий)

вот он, пересказ, целиком, вместе с ее комментариями)


I got the sсript for 203 today and started reviewing it...there's some
interesting tidbits that I thought I'd share...just some small differences from
the sсript to the actual show. This particular sсript has the final draft
including 3 final revisions dated on the front of the sсript so I believe this
was THE sсript that the actors and director worked off of. Several pages
throughout the sсript had a different date on them that matched the dates listed
on the front for the revisions...

The first scene in Woody's and the talk about the Gay as Blazes show...

Change #1:

SHOW: After Lindsay says "Very mature, Brian" Brian flicks something to Ted, who
makes a face then Brian leaves.

sсriрt: Lindsay: Very mature, Brian!

Brian flips her the finger as he leaves, he doesn't look back.

MY COMMENT: Just thought it was interesting that he aggrevated Ted instead of
flipping off Lindsay...LOL...poor Ted

Change #2:

SHOW: Brian walks across the street outside Woody's. Mikey comes up to him and
tickles him under the arm, then Brian grabs his hand and twists it making Mikey
say "Ow, hurting, hurting.

sсriрt: Brian walks down the busy strip. Rushing to catch up, Michael grabs
Brian's ass to get his attention. Brian doesn't even break his stride to seize
the hand that goosed him and twists it.

Michael: Ow! Hurting, hurting.

MY COMMENT: Interesting that little Mikey didn't pinch his ass...suppose that
was Sparks not wanting to???

Lindsay and Melanie's house the next morning....

Change #1:

SHOW: Brian is in the chair holding Gus on his lap. He puts Gus down on the
ground on his touche with Gus facing away from him...he talks with Lindsay...he
pulls Gus up to his feet with Gus still facing away and says "Come to
Daddy...Come on Sonny Boy" (the sonny boy part is almost intangible)

sсriрt: Start on Lindsay, trying to stay calm, eating doughnuts that Brian
brought over.

Lindsay: You're going and that's final!

Now we see Brian, on the floor, before work, steadying Gus, helping him to walk
on his own two feet.

Brian: The fuck I am.

Lindsay: And don't think you can get me to change my mind.....

Brian: (pretending not to hear - says TO Gus) Come to Daddy, that-a-boy.

MY COMMENT: They changed the 'that a boy' to Sonny Boy, which I find endearing
and it makes sense later. Also the sсript called for more of a "Brian helping
Gus to learn to walk" scene, which also makes more sense later.



Change #2:

SHOW: Brian: (To Lindsay and Melanie) It's about the $300 a plate they're
charging.

sсriрt: Brian: (To Lindsay and Melanie) It's about the $300 a plate they're
charging. (To Gus) That's it, one foot in front of the other...

MY COMMENT: Again they cut out the "Brian helping Gus to learn to walk" thing. I
think that kind of sucks, I would have loved to see this kind of interaction and
it would have made the later scene all the more sweet. But that could just be
the Mom in me wanting to see Daddy interact...LOL

Change #3:

SHOW: Lindsay releases Brian's nuts, he falls to the ground. Melanie
exclaims...they all look at Gus who's walking. Brian says, in mock pain, "Come
to Daddy."

sсriрt: Lindsay releases Brian's nuts. He breathes a big sigh of relief.

Melanie: Oh, my God. Look...!

Lindsay: You found your keys?

They all turn to see Gus....walking!

Brian: Come to Daddy, Sonny-boy

Gus goes to Brian, who sweeps him up in his arms as Melanie and Lindsay cheer.

MY COMMENT: Cut the sonny-boy line this time...and I'm all bummed that Brian
didn't scoop him up in his arms...That would have been a very big "Aaaaahh"
moment...

At the diner discussing Bellweather's article:

Change #1:

SHOW: Justin says..."The guy practically called you a child molester. Brian
answers..."Who should know better than you?" while looking all cute...LOL They
cut to Mikey who rolls his eyes then gets up and reminds Brian about the
convention as he leaves. Brian looks pensive.

sсriрt: Justin: The guy practically called you a child molester.

Brian: Who should know better than you?

He gives Justin a kiss. Michael reacts uncomfortably, seeing all this
lovey-dovey shit.

Michael: I gotta go to the ATM...Don't forget. Comicon. Tonight. Six O'clock.



MY COMMENT: All I can say is that I would have loved to have seen the
kiss....Mikey rolling his eyes in the show was as if he rolled his eyes at
Brian's comment not at the uncomfortableness of the scene...The kiss would have
been soooo much better. And then Brian's look at the end of the scene would
have made so much more sense because he would have known that the kiss bothered
Michael, so they cut the kiss but kept Brian's pensive look...strange...because
to me, it made it seem that Brian may have really been bothered by Bellweather's
comment about Justin's age.

The cop in the van:

No changes really to this scene, but I loved the description of it so I thought
I'd share...this is word for word from the sсript...their words, not mine...I
swear...LOL

sсriрt: Flocks of comic book nerds of all ages pour toward the hotel where a
sign outside reads "comicon". Find Michael, already there, waiting, excitedly
gripping his Uber-passes. He looks one way, then another. No sign of Brian.



Brian sits behind the wheel. He glances over at the car stopped next to him.
It's a police SUV, with a dee-lish uniformed cop at the wheel. Their eyes meet.

Michael paces, alone. He looks one way. Then another. Still no sign of Brian. He
whips out his phone, dials.

Among a heap of hastily discarded clothes, Brian's cell phone lights up,
indicating an in-coming call. It's ringing is drowned out by the blaring fuck-me
tunes. Pan to the rear of the police SUV where we find: Brian and the cop. The
cop is naked...face first and ass up. His hands are cuffed behind his back. He
is straddled by Brian...who wears nothing but the cop's hat. As he lubes up a
nightstick...CUT TO:

MY COMMENT: Okay....'comic book nerds'....'dee-lish' cop...'fuck-me
tunes'....just too freaking funny...sorry.



Lindsay and Melanie's living room:

SHOW: Lindsay says something about the sex after they get married and Melanie
responds with they have to do it more now. That's all...no more talking...the
rest is all moans and groans until the doorbell rings.

sсriрt: In the living room, Melanie lubes up a glinting stainless steel
vibrator....with her tongue. She straddles naked Lindsay. Lindsays hands are
working away beneath Melanies rocking pelvis. They kiss...wet and sloppy.

Melanie: As the Center's legal council, I must advise you that use of this
blatantly penile substitute may seriously compromise your image as an
outstanding dyke.

Lindsay: Fuck my image. And while you're at it...fuck me.

Melanie flicks the vibrator on. It's loud. She teases it over Lindsay's nipples,
alternating with flicks of her tongue.

Lindsay: Think sex'll be this good after we're married?

Melanie: No. That's why we have to have as much as we can now.

Lindsay arches, well on her way to climax, just as the doorbell rings. They
freeze.

Melanie: I really don't think we're home.

Lindsay: They're going to wake Gus.

MY COMMENT: Thank goodness, they chopped this up and dropped the dialogue...I
just don't think that women talk that much during sex...LOL...maybe Thea and
Michelle told them that... But on the other hand, I wanted to say...damn!
Girls, girls, girls...getting some nasty talk going on there...LOL

Another funny thing in the sсript is the description of whose at the door:
Melanie opens the door to reveal a big, humorless bull dyke (Tannis) and a
slight, lispy prissy-boy (Phillip). My comment....crack me up for one, and
two...who the hell has a name like Tannis?....LOL

Liberty Avenue...Justin and Brian walk:

No changes to this scene either, but I loved the description of how it is to
play out so I thought I'd share...and I'm not so sure that the writer's intent
was carried out with the noises in the background representing Justin's
nervousness....but since the hearing part was cut out of the last scene due to
the song that was inserted...it doesn't really matter here so it's okay that it
didn't.

sсriрt: Near the bookstore, where hypervigilant Justin moves nervously down the
street with Brian. The usual Saturday afternoon crowd swarms around them, but in
Justin's present fearful state of mind, it feels like ten times that. Even the
traffic and the street noise seems ten times louder. Looking overwhelmed, Justin
grips Brian's arm. Brian notes the clench.

MY COMMENT: Brian says "ow" to Justin clenching his arm on the show...that's not
in the sсript and makes me want to say "aaahhh". I just love this
scene....

The buttering-up of Brian at the muncher's house:

SHOW: Melanie hands Brian a cigar and he says..."oh yeah"

sсriрt: Melanie hands Brian a cuban cigar.

Brian: Oh yeah. Come to papa.

MY COMMENT: Hmmm....I don't know, they cut the papa. Oh well.

At Babylon:

SHOW: Mikey, Ted, & Emmett are talking. Brian shows up and says to Mikey..."Just
the man I've been looking for. Let's dance." Mikey says "I don't feel like it."

sсriрt: Just then Brian joins them, throws his arm around Michael.

Brian: Just the man I've been looking for.

Michaels welcome is chilly.

Michael: How come you're not with Justin?

Brian: Sometimes I need some "me" time.

Ted: When isn't it "you" time?

Brian: (to Michael) Let's dance.

Michael: I don't feel like it.

MY COMMENT: Verrry interesting....they cut out Michael's jealousy over Justin
just like they cut the kiss out from the earlier scene in the diner. Suppose
they were trying to really make Michaels attitude just about loosing his friend
and not so much about loosing him to Justin? The writer's clearly wanted Michael
to be jealous but without these scenes, it did change things...just thought that
was interesting especially since Justin so graciously gives up a blow job from
Brian later in order to send Brian to go play with Michael....who's the bigger
man here?? LOL Maybe that's why...they couldn't have 30 year old Mikey showed up
by an 18 year old...okay, that's probably stretching, but still....hmmm

Liberty Avenue...Justin walks to Brian:

Only 1 slight change so I'll just highlight that part in the sсript. This is the
word for word account of the scene as written in the sсript.

sсriрt: The street's crowded with weekend warriors. Deep in the throng, Brian
stands, ignoring the usual hungry looks, his eyes something up ahead. RAMP TO:
Justin, at the other end of the block, making his way toward Brian. His gaze is
likewise fixed on Brian...the passing bodies are merely blurs. Traffic,
conversations, music...all seem to fade away. His heart beats loudly, over it
all. Suddenly, Justin is jostled by a passerby. For a moment, Brian disappears
from view. But Justin shakes his head, takes a breath, and once more Brian is
there, smiling, arms outstretched now, encouraging him, welcoming him as he did
with Gus. He calls:

Brian: Come on, Sonny boy.

And Justin arrives, in his arms, safe and sound just like Gus.

Justin: I wasn't sure I could do it.

Brian: I was.

Suddenly, unexpectedly, Brian kisses him. Justin smiles.

Justin: What's that for?

Brian: You know how much I love sex in public places.

Justin: Then suck me off, right here, right now, in broad daylight.

Brian: My, you are recovering nicely.

Justin: (flirty) Bad as new.

Brian: One step at a time. First we walk back to my place...then I suck you off.

Justin: I can do it myself

Brian: You can give yourself head?

Justin: Get home without a chaperone! (shoving him) Now, go on!

Brian: Trying to get rid of me?

Justin: I'm sick of you always following me around. Don't you have friends your
own age?

Brian: They don't adore me nearly as much as you do.

Justin: I can think of one who does. (then) Anyway, you have a big, important
fundraiser to attend.

Brian: You mean some boring, insignigicant time-waster to endure.

Justin: You're a hero, no matter what anyone says

Justin rewards him with a kiss...and a FEEL.

Brian: thanks for the standing ovation

Justin: (mustering courage) Well, here goes. Later.

Brian: Later

Justin takes off down the street...tentatively, but on his own. Brian stands
there watching him until he's safely out of sight.

MY COMMENT: Damn, I love this scene...interesting that the intent was to tie
this scene with him helping Gus learn to walk in the opening scene. The only
thing that I can think of as to why they didn't leave this image in the final
show was the Bellweather comment...it seems odd because they had Brian comment
on the big age difference in the diner as if it didn't bother him...it obviously
didn't bother Justin because he attacked Bellweather for saying it. But I guess,
they were worried about us making that connection...No need...we all know how he
feels about Justin...it's not pedophilia...he just feels like his
protector...not his daddy like with Gus...but the connection between Justin and
Gus will always be there just because of how they both entered his life on the
same night and he calls them both, Sonny boy....Anyhoo...the small change is the
FEEL that went along with Justin's kiss. It definitely changes the meaning of
Brian's "standing ovation" line and I was cracking up. Maybe
it was just me, but without seeing that he gave him a 'feel'..I took the
standing ovation line as a comeback for Justin calling him a hero, giving him
praise...I certainly didn't take it as a slick way of referring to a hard-on.
LOL

There seemed to be two themes for this episode...the upstanding citizen theme as
represented by Bellweather, the Gay as Blazes show, and Emmett's job at Blaine
and Blair's house...then the other was "Brian the daddy, the teacher, the
motivator" to Justin and Gus which in a way made him an upstanding citizen in my
eyes...who cares that he boinked a cop with a nightstick...LOL. Oh, a third
one...Mikey's jealousy...ur...I mean his feelings about their friendship.

Anyway, no big revelations in this sсript like the last one but it was still
interesting to read and to think about...hope no one minded reading my
drivel...I just get into this kind of stuff and always seem to think that others
do too....maybe not...LOL

--Danny

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The Color of the Night

очень давно хотелось под эту песню. пока обсуждали пятый сезон, поняла, что именно мне под нее видится, и вот сделала себе), но может еще кому сочетание придется...) 504-507, может не очень внятно, но вот как-то так вышло... ну и ангст, конечно)

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